Forcing vaccination

[Peaceiseveryrhing]

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

[quote Baycob]@CuteBear

As I understand, if people can withstand the disease and just have mild symptoms then they become immune ( for an undefined period of time) I guess this is where the herd immunity part comes in like with vaccines of the past the virus has nowhere to go and is slowly eradicated.[/quote]
Yup.

@Coyoacan

Here in Mexico a doctor was paralysed by the Pfizer vaccine. I believe she is on the mend now but...

But what? According to the news reports I've just read, she wasn't paralysed, she had a seizure and was diagnosed with encephalomyelitis, which has not happened in any of the clinical trials so far. It's not been proved to be linked with the vaccine, and it happened a few days after she had had the jab. My friend found out she was pregnant 5 days after her vaccine, fairly sure that wasn't linked to having it!

Also important context that over 2,000 healthcare workers died from covid in Mexico in 2020. Don't share false/unproven rumours on here that will scare people off making an informed choice about the vaccine.

Won't somebody think of the libertieeees 😫

Perhaps the future looks like:
All at risk (50+) offered vaccine, not compulsory, your choice.
Everyone else, if you catch COVID you could get through it and develop immunity that way and we gradually get to some sort of herd immunity as a population.
Or you could suffer badly you will be offered the new anti-virals that are currently in development to help recovery. Yes they’ll be new and in same boat as the vaccine in terms of no long term safety data etc but they could save your life.....
By that time in a hospital bed the risk/benefit ratio looks a bit different and you won’t question the “newness” of the drug.

Such a lot of threads by anti COVID vaccine posters, started by new posters. It’s almost as if they’re trying to shit stir.

I am NOT anti vaccine. I am PRO bodily autonomy.

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

No-one can force you to have a vaccine. But on the other hand, no-one is forcing you to get on a plane, go to a concert etc.

Airlines are private companies so they can pick and choose their own rules for conditions of travel, you only need to obey them if you want to travel with them.

We are however forced to take and keep a job under pain of having zero benefits if you refuse.

If someone declines the Covid-19 vaccine, and gets sacked or refused a job because of it, will this be considered that person's fault and used to deny them any money to live on? I rather expect it will.

If you believe God says vaccines are sinful, you can't be discriminated against for that, but if you believe science says the Covid-19 vaccine is unsafe, you can be. From a secular point of view that's absurd.

By the way I believe the Covid-19 vaccines are safe and will get it when offered. But I've got a family member who does not get the flu jab after having a bad reaction to it three years in a row, but her doctor disagrees and has attempted to harass her into getting it. Repeated calls in a single week, calls from other staff at the surgery who were told lies by the doctor, and claiming the Covid-19 jab won't be offered if she doesn't have the flu jab! Should she be coerced further?

@MrsBerthaRochester

I am NOT anti vaccine. I am PRO bodily autonomy.

^^ This

[quote Baycob]@CuteBear

As I understand, if people can withstand the disease and just have mild symptoms then they become immune ( for an undefined period of time) I guess this is where the herd immunity part comes in like with vaccines of the past the virus has nowhere to go and is slowly eradicated.[/quote]
Yes this is my thinking. This is how it worked for millennia. Some nasty viruses and diseases that kill people of any age (unlike c19 which only seems to really affect people with certain health conditions) were eradicated through vaccines, but the vast majority of us could build immunity against c19 without vaccines.

There are so many misinformed people out there. If you are vaccinated, you may still be a carrier of the virus. The vaccination doesn't stop you transmitting the virus to anyone else. So the vaccine doesn't help achieve herd immunity at all. The vaccine has one function: to manage symptoms if you do happen to contract the virus.

So OP I'm with you, it would be ridiculous to deny someone a service because they didn't take the vaccine. They are only putting their own health at risk by remaining unvaccinated, and are not adding any more danger to others than the vaccinated population.

I'm not sure that is true. It can make a difference to mutation rate, I read.

You do realise the flu jab is different every year? That doesn't ever get 10 or 15 years of testing. Yet millions of doses are given worldwide annually with very, very few issues and pregnant women are a target group.

Is this yet another anti Covid vaccination thread with someone who thinks they're being smart dressed up as ' just saw this and thought I'd start a thread on it' to attempt to promote their anti vaccine narrative. It's getting really boring now.

I'm NOT anti vaccine. I'm PRO bodily autonomy.

@CuteBear

Vaccines expedite the process. We need to expedite because our hospitals are overwhelmed. We need our hospitals to treat other things ( trauma, heart disease etc ). If we can’t stop our hospitals being overwhelmed then we can’t open up society because too many people will end up in hospital. The rhetoric in the media has been centred around saving lives because it’s emotive and because people won’t just die of COVID they might die in an RTA because there are no beds in the ICU.

We need herd immunity ASAP so we can stop overwhelming the hospitals to get the economy moving, hospitals treating other things, kids back at school.

The quickest and safest way to do this is through a vaccine. The alternative is to let the virus run rampant through communities, overwhelm the health service leading to a much greater loss of life and since immunity isn’t guaranteed after infection- rinse and repeat.

"No other vaccine in the history of mankind has been rushed out the door without long term testing." Well that's certainly the opinion of youtube and places like the David icke forum etc. Which is where this is all coming from of course

Actually I also said that, because our chief epidemiologist told us that. They are still collecting data on these vaccines and they all just have emergency approval.

It's fine that you are in favour of the vaccine but you don't do your cause any favours by denying reality.

Herd immunity? Has that worked in Sweden then?

This virus has,like most viruses before it,mutated. Is this effecanciacy the same for all the variants? I have not heard concentrate evidence to suggest so. But if the majority want to go abroad on holiday we all better be good little comrades and take it. This truly frightens me more than covid.

@MrsBerthaRochester

No, because as I said immunity after infection isn’t guaranteed for any length of time. If lots of people are immune at the same time via a vaccine then we have herd immunity.

@IDKNABYBIF22

She had temporary paralysis and seizures and she is on the mend and it was directly related to the vaccine. We are all grown ups here and don't need your lies to sugar-coat the story. There have been a number of people who've had bad reactions and their cases are reported every night in the Secretary of Health's COVId-19 Conference. Fortunately they have been 0.01% of the vaccinated and so far they have all recovered.

I will still take the vaccine because the alternative is continued lockdown.

We are immune to this strain. We don't know how effective it is against further strains. So not herd immunity.

@Coyoacan

The way I read the article was that the individual in question had a history of anaphylaxis.

This episode of anaphylaxis caused encephalomyelitis which caused paralysis.

She happened to have the vaccine 5 days before. This could have been a coincidence as other things could have contributed to this episode since he already had a history of allergic reactions.

@Coyoacan

Could you post a link with a reputable source that proves it was directly related to the vaccine? Thanks.

@IDKNABYBIF22

www.infobae.com/america/mexico/2021/01/02/convulsiones-y-paralisis-por-encefalomielitis-las-reacciones-alergicas-de-una-doctora-de-coahuila-tras-recibir-la-vacuna-contra-covid-19/

www.proceso.com.mx/nacional/2021/1/4/doctora-hospitalizada-tras-recibir-vacuna-tiene-problemas-para-hablar-en-extremidades-255574.html

latinus.us/2021/01/02/hospitalizan-doctora-reaccion-adversa-recibir-vacuna-pfizer/

www.eleconomista.com.mx/politica/Doctora-con-reaccion-grave-a-vacuna-contra-Covid-19-esta-consciente-despierta-y-bien-orientada-20210104-0075.html

Now can you show me your source of information?

Bet you wouldn't apply that argument to something like saysexuality, race, gender?

Those aren't choices.