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Forcing vaccination

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Peaceiseveryrhing · 31/01/2021 20:39

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach! Angry

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MrsBerthaRochester · 31/01/2021 23:22

I will have the vaccine but I will not judge or deride those who don't. It's a slippery slope when we surrender bodily autonomy to a government. Would posters be happy to go along with the we are over populated so one child only policy as China did? I think not.

visitorfromtheplanetzog · 31/01/2021 23:22

@Peaceiseveryrhing

Just read this on the Beeb

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553]]

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach! Angry

Nightclubs are within their rights to refuse entry to people wearing scruffy jeans and tatty trainers.

Indoor public spaces in the UK are all No Smoking areas.

If people choose not to go in those places by refusing to abide by the terms and conditions and then complain about it, well it isn't communism preventing them, it's their own stupidity.

Baycob · 31/01/2021 23:23

@Hammonds I didn’t call anyone anything. I described them as refusers.

@Sushirolls you didn’t read my first post. I think people that can should in order to protect those who can’t. Those with an exemption can just produce a card from the GP stating that they are exempt ( I can’t imagine there will be that many as to cause an admin issue). They don’t have to say why.

Well in a hospital there is likely to be more people who can’t have the vaccine. So refusers would be would be putting those people at risk.

LadyMayoGoodway · 31/01/2021 23:23

What do you do @Sushirolls

Goldieloxx · 31/01/2021 23:24

It means there won't be any anti vaxxers on the sunlounger next to me, bonus

Hammonds · 31/01/2021 23:25

@MrsBerthaRochester

I will have the vaccine but I will not judge or deride those who don't. It's a slippery slope when we surrender bodily autonomy to a government. Would posters be happy to go along with the we are over populated so one child only policy as China did? I think not.
I wouldn’t be so sure. This year has bloody shocked me. I never realised MN was so authoritarian.
Coyoacan · 31/01/2021 23:25

The vaccines only have emergency approvals because the emergency situation we are in means that they have not been able to study their effects on all the different social groups and over time.

I will get the vaccine myself but having weighed up the different risks. Nobody should be coerced into taking the vaccine.

Here in Mexico a doctor was paralysed by the Pfizer vaccine. I believe she is on the mend now but...

Bellabelloo · 31/01/2021 23:27

It is YOUR choice not to have the vaccine just as much as it is MY choice as an employer to protect my staff. Some of them have vulnerable dependents. Similarly on a plane we would want to know we are as safe as possible.

Sushirolls · 31/01/2021 23:28

@LadyMayoGoodway

What do you do *@Sushirolls*
Why?
kateybeth79 · 31/01/2021 23:31

It's not just some vaccine they've thrown together in a couple of months!! Maybe educate yourself on the vaccine before spouting this nonsense OP, you're making yourself look very foolish!

Hammonds · 31/01/2021 23:32

@Bellabelloo

It is YOUR choice not to have the vaccine just as much as it is MY choice as an employer to protect my staff. Some of them have vulnerable dependents. Similarly on a plane we would want to know we are as safe as possible.
You crack on with that love. I’m not sure your HR department would agree it’s legal but let us no how it goes!
BluebellsGreenbells · 31/01/2021 23:32

Eventually, once I am confident it is the right thing to do and it is safe, I'll have the vaccine, but right now - no way!

So it’s ok for everyone else to have the vaccine and protect themselves, others and the economy?

I hope they do bad none vaccinated people.

We have no COVID where I live the borders are shut and I hope they remain shut to anyone not vaccinated so we can all live freely!!

CharlotteRose90 · 31/01/2021 23:33

@Sushirolls do you work for an airline by any chance? I do and that’s what I’ve been told. Although I get my vaccine next week. Apologies if wrong career :)

Graciebobcat · 31/01/2021 23:35

Employers will not be able to go further than recommending employees have the vaccine. They can't force them.

CuteBear · 31/01/2021 23:36

@Bagelsandbrie

I think there’s a difference between forcing people to have the vaccine and saying they can’t travel / enter shopping centres / go to concerts etc unless they provide proof of having had it. If people want normal life back the vaccine is the only way we can do that.
The c19 vaccines don’t prevent transmission or you catching the virus. So no, it’s not the only way. I think the vaccines are only really beneficial to clinically vulnerable people because the vaccines may reduce the effects of the virus should they catch it. Most healthy people recover quickly or they don’t have any symptoms at all.
MrsBerthaRochester · 31/01/2021 23:37

Bodily autonomy is yours and yours alone. would you force someone to donate an organ to save a life? So why would you force someone to have a vaccine? Our bodies are OURS! They do not belong to any government.

Strokethefurrywall · 31/01/2021 23:38

"...I think you've grossly overlooked the fact that no other vaccine has undergone such little time based testing. So who knows what outcome it could have in 10 years time..."

But you do know what the outcome is of not having the vaccination right now. The present. The situation that you're currently stuck in. Watching parents lose children, watching kids losing parents, grandparents, friends, loved ones. Not being able to say goodbye, not being able to comfort them in their final moments, not being able to kiss them or grieve properly at a funeral.
That the reality without the vaccination. No, you might not know what is going to happen in 10 years, but open your eyes to the reality of what is happening right now.

I live on a small island nearly 5000 miles from my family in UK. I can't have the vaccination because I have anaphylaxis so will be medically exempt, but I would take the jab in a heartbeat if I were allowed so that I know I'm not a danger to anyone else around me when I do finally travel. Unfortunately I now have to wait for global herd immunity before I can leave.

There is a bigger picture of course, none of us know what the effects of the vaccine will be. You know, other than returning to the freedoms you're accustomed to, being able to hug your loved ones, not having to watch people die and not having to bitch about wearing a mask and socially distancing.

I'd rather think about the immediate positives than some unknown negatives.

Namenic · 31/01/2021 23:39

I think healthcare workers have to have certain vaccines like hep b - makes sense as if they were infected they could pass it on to lots of patients. Already some places require proof of yellow fever vaccine to get in.

I guess it depends on if vaccine reduces risk of transmission. If it does reduce risk of transmission, then I think it is fair enough to require it for people who are medically able to have it. However if it does not reduce risk of transmission then I think with some things it is a bit of overkill (eg likelihood of someone asymptomatic and having a negative test, developing severe covid on a flight is quite small, however the chance of them developing it if on a 3 week cruise is higher)

LastTrainEast · 31/01/2021 23:40

"No other vaccine in the history of mankind has been rushed out the door without long term testing." Well that's certainly the opinion of youtube and places like the David icke forum etc. Which is where this is all coming from of course.

But in reality the vaccines have been tested. The difference in the time it took was about not leaving long gaps between each stage of testing.

Also it misses the point that Covid HAS been proved to harm people. Something else that people from there deny so of course they don't understand the point of the vaccine.

MartiniDry · 31/01/2021 23:40

@aloetia

Good, at least I don't have to travel to the in laws.
aloetia GrinGrinGrinGrin That tickled me. Thank you for your very much appreciated humour.
AWaspOnAWindowReturns · 31/01/2021 23:40

Nobody can force you to have the vaccine, just like you can't force them to let you into their shopping centre/school/aeroplane/country without proving you've been vaccinated. It's a shit situation but sadly it's just how it is.

CuteBear · 31/01/2021 23:41

@Propagandalf

If you can have the vaccine and you are able to, then you should get the vaccine imo.

Allergic reaction? Then yes that's a valid excuse, or at least seek an alternative vaccine.

Asthma? That's also a valid excuse but again seek an alternative. I know an asthmatic who would take the Pfizer vaccine, but was able to take the Oxford one.

Religious reasons? Not an excuse. Saving yourself and others should take precedent.

Microchips? You can fuck right off.

Anti-vaxxers are a hindrance for us getting back to normal. And I don't mean the 'new normal' as that can sod right off too.

I’m allergic to many medicines and some vaccines. I don’t want to take the risk with these new types of vaccines, especially as they don’t prevent transmission or me catching the virus. If I caught c19 I’m not like to get really ill. If you’re clinically vulnerable then go ahead and try the vaccine. I’m not anti vaccines as I’ve had many. I just don’t think these new ones will benefit me (and I don’t want to suffer with an allergic reaction).
Namenic · 31/01/2021 23:41

I don’t mean forcing people to have vaccine, but requiring it for certain activities where covid could spread - eg flying, cruises etc.

Sushirolls · 31/01/2021 23:42

[quote CharlotteRose90]@Sushirolls do you work for an airline by any chance? I do and that’s what I’ve been told. Although I get my vaccine next week. Apologies if wrong career :)[/quote]
No, but I sympathise if you're having it against your will. I'm all for those who want to have it, it's a very personal choice. I'm totally against coercion or forcing it.

I hope you stay well when you have it Flowers

Baycob · 31/01/2021 23:43

@CuteBear

As I understand, if people can withstand the disease and just have mild symptoms then they become immune ( for an undefined period of time) I guess this is where the herd immunity part comes in like with vaccines of the past the virus has nowhere to go and is slowly eradicated.