Forcing vaccination

[Peaceiseveryrhing]

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

@SnackSizeRaisin

We're told that these new vaccines are safe. We were told that all the elderly should be vaccinated. Weeks later, countries like Germany decide it's a waste of time for anyone over 60.

Just wanted to point out that this is a complete lie! Are you thick or just stirring?

I must be thick, but capable of reading the news. Maybe you should challenge yourself and do the same!

@Embra

Agree with op, very reasonable opinion. I am surprised every day how people so happy to give all the freedom and rights at the first sign of danger that is disproportionately inflated by media. We are really quite fragile as society. I don’t know any friends who take this seriously.

Whilst I agree in the first party of your post. I too am surprised at how quickly people hand over their rights and other peoples quickly when they be one scared.

But the last part I disagree with. You should take it seriously. My 25 very fit dd had it and she was quite poorly. Not hospital poorly but crying with her head as it was exploding and needing help to get to the toilet, short of breath. Those symptoms only lasted a few days but when she was better she said that she could understand why so many old people were dying as she felt so bad.

You should also take it seriously because society has literally had to close down. My business is shut because of the high infection rates. I can’t open again till they go down. I might end up bankrupt.

Ladymay....your funny. Love how you presume so much when obvious can’t be bothered to read.

Thank you I'm really sad about it because I love my job 😢 but I refuse to be forced into having it.

It's annoying but it isn't really blackmail. Currently we can't go into private businesses like shops without a mask, as not wearing a mask makes you a risk to staff and fellow punters. So airlines are private businesses that want all fliers to be vaccinated, to protect staff and fellow fliers - and the destination country has just as much right as a private business to deny you entry if you're a health risk to their citizens. I wouldn't let anyone unvaccinated into the UK, would you?

Peaceiseveryrhing tbh I think Germany said that in an immature retaliation because of the vaccine issue they’ve been having.

@Sushirolls

Thank you I'm really sad about it because I love my job 😢 but I refuse to be forced into having it.

The definition of cutting of your nose to spite your face.

I think you've grossly overlooked the fact that no other vaccine has undergone such little time based testing. So who knows what outcome it could have in 10 years time

Nobody knows

These vaccines have had as much testing and time spent on them as all other vaccines that have been passed as safe internationally, if not more because of the number of extremely experienced and intelligent scientists that have been working on it around the world for years in the event of a SARS based virus which could result in a global pandemic.

@ginastill

It's annoying but it isn't really blackmail. Currently we can't go into private businesses like shops without a mask, as not wearing a mask makes you a risk to staff and fellow punters. So airlines are private businesses that want all fliers to be vaccinated, to protect staff and fellow fliers - and the destination country has just as much right as a private business to deny you entry if you're a health risk to their citizens. I wouldn't let anyone unvaccinated into the UK, would you?

Yes if they didn’t have it. And they do test to see if you do. You do need proof of a negative test to get in the UK

TheGoogleMum
I pinned my MP down on this question. She assures me that the Government has no plans to make vaccination mandatory or to bring in any form of 'vaccination passport'.

She'll have me to answer to if it does happen!

Some people are just contrary for the sake of it. That is what I call being privileged & even self-indulgent . Most will have had the necessary vaccinations, as too their parents.

Innumerable people have died, for lack of treatment and a vaccine. Their families have been torn apart, all over the world.

But, these same nay-sayers/anti vaxxers/lockdowners - are happy to say no, no, no - will still expect the NHS and their staff to save them and their kin from any health, whenever health problem/accident they may have. Now think opting out of using a drug that will help not just them, but their families and communities; is the best way forward to overcome the worst pandemic in our lifetime?

There is a chance to prevent further transmission, the research scientists and pharmacologists involved in developing drugs do this all year round, yes the trials have been speeded up, they have worked round the clock - because people/families/communities are dying all over the world. You might even know someone who has been affected directly. I do.
They did the same for Ebola. The vaccine for Covid-19 is probably a derivative of that for SARs, as they are all-related.

Sorry, went off track a bit. In my late teens, I found I had no immunity to TB. I was at university, but couldn't be bothered to go back for the vaccination (scared of needles). 2 years later, I thought I just had severe asthma, and but couldn't keep any weight on. A doctor diagnosed Tuberculosis. 9 months of bloody treatment, cos' I couldn't be bothered, and didn't think I was at risk (in my 20s).
3 months daily injections, I was put in an isolation ward for a month. It was not fun, the meds were nasty, I felt like dying. By the time I made it out of hospital, I looked like a warmed up skeleton, it took months to put on weight.

Take the bloody vaccine, if offered (there are many people in the world who wish they were in your shoes).

If you are seriously worried or have concerns about side effects, speak properly to your GP or specialist who knows your medical history. Don't rely on what is basically malicious & anonymous gossip on how best to protect your health and those around you.

I hate the medicines I have to take, but they keep me alive, for my DFamily, my friends and community. And have done for much longer than I ever expected.

@DappledThings not at all. It's their loss as I work hard at my job. As I said, I am fortunate enough that I can afford to make them sack me. Other people aren't, so feel they have no other choice. It is disgusting to coerce them.

Forced vaccination is NEVER ok.

Consequences like what? Fine? Prison? Really? how about long COVID, permanent heart and lung damage? Inability to work? Inability to walk from one room to the next without becoming breathless. Heart failure. Scarring on your lungs.

Read up about Kate Garroway’s husband who it’s believed will never come out of his coma because of the damage done by COVID.

There’s far more to COVID than dying, surviving it with long term consequences. And if you think those are limited to the elderly and the vulnerable then think again.

In fact if you end up with long COVID then you will become one of the vulnerable.

@Hammonds

Consequences as listed in the article. No travel, nightclubs, no concerts, no visiting relatives in hospital etc. These are not essential, I don’t agree with not allowing refusers into shops, but places where they are likely to be in contact with a large number of people or with vulnerable people should be restricted.

Is your life more important than someone who CAN’T be vaccinated ?

@Peaceiseveryrhing

Germany haven't said it's a waste of time to use the Oxford vaccine on over 60s; they haven't approved it because they feel there is a lack of data about it's effectiveness in older people. A lack of data doesn't mean it doesn't work. The Oxford trials didn't include anyone over 55 initially, and people over 65 are less likely to be exposed to covid through work, so it's hard to get a lot of data on how effective it is in that age group.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext

Germany denies claim AstraZeneca vaccine is less effective among elderly :
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-elderly-oxford-b1792658.html

Jeeez this is some dumb ass bullshit.

And yes, I mean you, not the vaccine passport.

[quote Baycob]@Hammonds

Consequences as listed in the article. No travel, nightclubs, no concerts, no visiting relatives in hospital etc. These are not essential, I don’t agree with not allowing refusers into shops, but places where they are likely to be in contact with a large number of people or with vulnerable people should be restricted.

Is your life more important than someone who CAN’T be vaccinated ?[/quote]
But having the vaccine doesn't stop you from transmitting it?! You can still catch it and pass it on.

@Sushirolls

They don’t know that yet, I’d imagine it will prevent transmission to some extent.

@MartiniDry

TheGoogleMum I pinned my MP down on this question. She assures me that the Government has no plans to make vaccination mandatory or to bring in any form of 'vaccination passport'.

She'll have me to answer to if it does happen!

Bet she's quaking in her boots.

OR she just thinks anti-vaxxers are twats, like most people with brains.

[quote Baycob]@Hammonds

Consequences as listed in the article. No travel, nightclubs, no concerts, no visiting relatives in hospital etc. These are not essential, I don’t agree with not allowing refusers into shops, but places where they are likely to be in contact with a large number of people or with vulnerable people should be restricted.

Is your life more important than someone who CAN’T be vaccinated ?[/quote]
Where have I said I won’t be vaccinated

However I’m not rabid or call other people names that don’t want it. I’ll eventually have it because I work in close contact with people.

But you’ve got to remember the average death of covid is 82 ( who are now superbly being swiftly vaccinated) yes sadly there are deaths on either side of that age but on average is 82 years. So I can see why fit and healthy 30 year olds don’t want it. And like it or not it’s their choice.

"Is your life more important than someone who CAN’T be vaccinated?"

Baycob, a person might argue that yes, to them, their life is more important than that of someone who can't be vaccinated. I don't believe that many people genuinely go around thinking that their life is less important than that of A. N. Other.

[quote Baycob]@Sushirolls

They don’t know that yet, I’d imagine it will prevent transmission to some extent.[/quote]
At the moment they are going on the theory that it doesn't as they don't know, but if it does, it will only be to some degree (as stated by them, themselves). So why should people not be allowed to visit loved ones etc when the vaccine doesn't 100% stop transmission?

Again what about those who are unable to have it? What about confidentiality for those who would have to explain their exemption which is no ones business?

No one has to have the vaccine but countries and businesses have the absolute right to stop you from.entering if you haven't had it. Plenty of countries already insist that travellers have proof of certain vaccinations to enter, this is nothing new and why should they take the risk

Good, at least I don't have to travel to the in laws.

ktp100, tbh I'm surprised that my MP thinks at all.

You need not be concerned (or quite so hostile, come to that). My MP wouldn't know honesty if it hit her on the nose with a wet kipper so you might have your vaccination passport wish yet.

As for me, I don't care either way as it won't affect me, so if your sharp remarks were for me you were aiming at the wrong target. 🙂