WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

@lightand

I am not sure it will happen, because if it did, then that would mean a UK Prime Minister is arguably not acting in the best interests of the UK population.

This. It would be political suicide for Johnson.

He's only got so many lives and he's arguably used up a fair few of them already!

after the vulnerable are jabbed

What about professions though? Teachers, police, bus drivers?

The WHO is asking that we pause our vaccinations after doing our 9 priority groups. So that’s over-50s, anyone who gets an NHS flu jab, unpaid carers, the obese, and everyone in jobs who are currently being offered the vaccination (healthcare mostly?).

I think the risk of death to people who don’t fall in those groups is very small indeed. And yes, there’s long covid. But I don’t imagine we’ll listen to the WHO anyway.

@Lougle

It sounds fair to me, tbh. It's not very palatable to think that people who are least at risk might get vaccinated whilst another country's CEV population can't get any vaccination.

Completely agree.

@marbellamarc

Plus I'm sure some people are doing that. I have seen people say it & well done them. But not everyone can achieve that. My cousin had an earring disorder & nearly died of starvation. Telling her to eat more surprisingly wasn't enough.

Well that's the thing, I'm not telling anyone they should try to lose weight. I was responding to your comment implying the urgency to vaccinate our population as the majority are obese. But that's not the ultimate solution. There are steps some can take to help themselves.

For me, the fact we are doing so well at vaccinating just shows how selfish we are.

What do you think of Israel?

@titchy that could always happen anyway regarding the new strains. That could happen with flu.

If my house were on fire and the other three in the row were on fire too, I am expected to let mine burn to go and assist the others? Maybe once my house is safe but not before

You'd be far better off diverting your efforts into killing the fire-breathing dragon that will just reignite your house once you've put the fire out...

Jelly

The who are saying that but look at US- they’re vqccinatijg kids as that’s their priority group

Are you happy to give yours to a child who has an even tinier risk than you? When your child cant have it?

I don't recall any EU or elsewhere outcry for other countries to donate their PPE or testing capacity to the UK when we were struggling

I was responding to your comment implying the urgency to vaccinate our population as the majority are obese.

I didn't say that. I just said lots of the pop was obese.

@JellyBabiesSaveLives

The WHO is asking that we pause our vaccinations after doing our 9 priority groups. So that’s over-50s, anyone who gets an NHS flu jab, unpaid carers, the obese, and everyone in jobs who are currently being offered the vaccination (healthcare mostly?).

I think the risk of death to people who don’t fall in those groups is very small indeed. And yes, there’s long covid. But I don’t imagine we’ll listen to the WHO anyway.

That’s not quite the case though is it? In terms of the obese it is those with a BMI over 40 - not the “obese” which is a BMi over 30. They would unvaccinated and still at risk

Every time I hear something the WHO have said I get pissed off. They just seem like a bunch of right old miseries with nothing constructive to say.

The berating tone on this thread from certain 'selfless' posters reminds me of the Brit bashing on some of the Remain threads on here. I wonder why they might be disgruntled today?

There are steps some can take to help themselves.

I just don't think you need to tell an obese person to lose weight & not just rely on the vaccine. But you do you

@hansgrueber
Terrible analogy. If you're houses were terrace then it's pointless putting out just your own house. You would realise that the fire would continue to burn until it was out in all houses.

The WHO should stop interfering and mind their god damn business!

They have already caused unnecessary deaths with their initial advice not to close borders in March 2020 and saying that masks don't work (and then giving the exact opposite advice)

Is this the same WHO that dicked around with China whilst the virus began to spread until we couldn’t control it?

Fuck that dear WHO. Ps listen to Taiwan next time

@Bookriddle

My wife has witnessed enough under 45s with no underlying health conditions die in the last few weeks!

I'm 28 I want my vaccine, asking as there is a risk I want it

Same. There are very many under 65’s in hospital with covid at the moment.

@Bookriddle

My wife has witnessed enough under 45s with no underlying health conditions die in the last few weeks!

I'm 28 I want my vaccine, asking as there is a risk I want it

I think I agree with you Bookriddle.

Also how about 60-64 year olds who aren't technically in the most vulnerable group but if also overweight or with any milder underlying conditions (not covered in the two priority groups) then they're significantly more likely to die than the average 20 year old.

I could have misread, but I checked the progress on the Covax scheme a couple of days ago.

WHO have ordered AZ but not approved it; and have only just approved and ordered Pfizer.

I'm not sure how the UK could possibly help if there is only one approved vaccine, which is difficult to transport?

I think the AZ manufacturing in India is prepped to fulfill the covax order, so if the WHO approve it then it's not being held up by the UK.

More deflecting from the real problem - that the WHO haven't yet approved AZ and they've only recently approved and then ordered Pfizer.

Perhaps if they focus more on approving vaccines, they might actually be able to vaccinate people under the scheme.

Eventually we will have more vaccines than we need, of course at that point UK manufacture should ship to the covax scheme.

That may only be a few months away, by which point WHO might have got their act together.

@IndiaMay Where has this been made clear? The entire adult population could never be vaccinated as some people will refuse it. It makes sense that, in the short term, those vaccinated can't just go back to normal as the priority groups haven't all been vaccinated yet and the vaccine ha not been proven to prevent transmission.

Also the UK has a terrible Covid rate and having such a high rate is increasing the chance of more mutations/variants of the virus emerging; which will likely affect much of the rest of the world over time if we don't deal with the crisis in the UK.

@Perfect28

Self centred, priotising (short sighted and misplaced) self interest, yes. Selfish. Inward looking. Nationalistic. Why should a healthy young person have a vaccine before an elderly vulnerable one on account of where they live?

I dunno, that's a head scratcher. I mean, it's not as if young, healthy people are ever likely to come into contact with vulnerable people who can't be vaccinated, is it?

In an emergency we’re always told to look after ourselves first before going to help others.

ie putting your oxygen mask on first before helping your child on an airplane.