WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

I posted on another thread that different countries have different vaccine priority groups.

If we nobly pass our vaccine supply to, say, Germany, you will see MPs and government bureaucrats who are in group 3 vaccinated ahead of the clinically vulnerable.

So I’m sitting here in the UK unvaccinated as a ecv person and some bureaucrat in Germany has his arm out.

Now is not the time to listen to the WHO. They have been fairly useless so far. While we should certainly help out other nations, if possible that shouldn't be at the expense of vaccinating people in the UK who want to be vaccinated. Even if younger people have a lower risk of dying, a few people I know are suffering from long Covid.
Also, I think people in many poorer countries are more bothered about malaria and TB and Covid. If anything, we should be doing more about those diseases.

So you're happy for everything to be back to normal, no school closures, students back having normal face to face lectures at Uni, pubs & restaurants open, then? Happy for the collateral damage of teachers etc catching covid and a few suffering long term issues and deaths? Basically, the elderly and vulnerable hope for the best and everyone else cracks on, even without the vaccine?

It would seem so yes 🙄 Either that or stay locked up for the foreseeable future with the economy and education heading down the pan. Either solution would be pure genius....

The UK have have supported the covax scheme, I can't remember if we have donated the most money or the second highest amount, but either way a lot more than a lot of countries. The jabs for that are being procured and distributed seperately to any agreements individual countries have. The WHO were moaning we weren't doing enough, and now this, they can fuck off to be honest.

I posted on another thread that different countries have different vaccine priority groups.

That's ignored & somehow you are still selfish. 🤷🏼‍♀️

The WHO can go stuff themselves - more so when it was claimed they sat on the knowledge of this virus being out there in the first place.

And where will they draw the line at vulnerable. My dad? Who is a good few years older than my mum who has early dementia? My sibling who has a life limiting illness but is younger still?

I’m not bothered about me. But as I am responsible for the three of them and work full time, how long do I have to wait before I’m no longer terrified at taking this home to them?

I’ve managed to avoid it so far. And if I had to lose my vaccine because I’m fat then I would accept it.

Who is going to look after them though if I die?

If worrying about my loved ones means I am being selfish then I’ll go with that. I’ve lost friends and two members of family to this already.

Once the more vulnerable are vaccinate, hospitalisations will decrease and the nhs won’t be under so much pressure. Then we can start easing restrictions

As mentioned, that's what's been said more or less from the start - so how has it turned into more or less everyone's got to be vaccinated?

If they're not then a few of the non-vulnerable may well catch it and be ill or sadly die, but that's always been the case with everything ... unless we're heading into "nobody can ever die of anything" territory again?

For me, the fact we are doing so well at vaccinating just shows how selfish we are

I don't. I think the government backed different options in a timely manner and paid highly for those options. Nothing selfish about that.

The anti your own country, self loathing attitude is quite sickening.

@ChippyDucks150

I work in a school, normally with hundreds of children attending. I also know a woman in her forties, with no underlying conditions, who died recently and has left a heartbroken husband and 5 children.

I want the fucking vaccine rolled out as planned.

Couldn't agree more!

Maybe they are paid trolls.

That’s not quite the case though is it? In terms of the obese it is those with a BMI over 40 - not the “obese” which is a BMi over 30. They would unvaccinated and still at risk
A BMI of 35 is the same risk as a BMI of 18.5, so under 18.5 and 35 to 40 should be the next BMI groups by risk. BMI 30 to 35 is the same risk as many people who are at the lower end of healthy weight.

@marbellamarc
The opinion I have is about every country who would choose to vaccinate their young and healthy population before turning outwards at the world. They also have a legal and moral duty to vaccinate those in occupied land.

Tbh I'm not quite sure of the relevance. WHO advice was to all countries ahead in the vaccination 'game'.
It kind of stinks of the 'well China still use fossil fuels so why should we bother recycling' etc. Immature arguments. Would you like a race to the bottom?

What do you think of Israel? Well that’s a whole new thread right there lol

Well?

I'd be very anti this idea. I'd like to think that once the most vulnerable are vaccinated we would be getting a large flow of vaccine supplies and would be able to donate to other countries in tandem with our own programme.

@BolloxtoGender

Some people’s naive unrealistic attitudes are unbelievable, and out of touch with reality, but they seem to think that’s sophisticated. To stand on the moral high ground and tell other people that it is selfish to want to prioritise your closest.

I want to prioritise my DC's by wanting them in school ASAP and letting them see their friends and cousins. But apparently that's selfish and would have me branded as a covidiot

@kowari but they are not at risk of having urgent medical treatments cancelled or risk long COVID or being seriously ill or dying.

And people in England have hardly been able to travel or see families in Wales/Scotland and vica verse.

Ok so you think that travelling to see family is more important than 1,00 people in Uk and other countries dying a day. Interesting priorities. I hope our leaders care about death rates, medical treatments. In Australia you could have dental treatment last year, get cancer surgery. Here nope.

The anti your own country, self loathing attitude is quite sickening

Yep truly revolting. I trust these people won't be sticking their arm out for the vaccine that could go to someone more deserving than them...

@Bookriddle

My wife has witnessed enough under 45s with no underlying health conditions die in the last few weeks!

I'm 28 I want my vaccine, asking as there is a risk I want it

Yes but that's a bit selfish. 'Your' vaccine? You're less vulnerable than other groups in other countries. This isn't a UK thing it's a global thing and I absolutely think it should be a worldwide effort. Nobody is saying you'll never get one. Just that others should get theirs first. And that's fair.

We are one of the countries in need of vaccinations. I’m with the you put on your own life jacket first crowd.

We have a good record with aid to developing countries and I’ve no doubt that we will play our part but right now we need to address our own issues.

Like everyone, I've had a horrible horrible year. I'm isolated and depressed. But why should we get back to 'normal life' and have our young and healthy people receiving the vaccine whilst the clinically extremely vulnerable are still dying in other countries? You might be able to make other arguments to justify this, but you definitely can't claim it's morally defensible. And the 'oxygen mask' argument that keeps coming up? That makes no sense. It doesn't help the vulnerable dying in other countries that I, over here in the UK and aged 31, have had my vaccine. Of course I would love to be vaccinated and I would love for my parents to be vaccinated. But can we at least be honest about our reasons and not pretend we're not being selfish?

And on a self-interested note, scientists are pointing out that all countries need to carry out vaccinations at roughly the same rate. Because if the virus is still spreading rampantly in some parts of the world, new variants WILL continue to emerge, and emerge quickly, which will affect all of us. That's what viruses do when they aren't controlled: mutate. Our vaccines might not work against the new variants. Then we really will be screwed, despite having 'put our oxygen masks on' nice and early.

Surely this could only be advised if they list who should get it first is the same in every country.
Also why is headline just uk if who mean all - typical media? Although can't read it as I don't pay.
We are still couple months away from fully vaccinating our vulnerable with 2 doses , my 87 nan second is due end march / april and she is staying in until then .

You're less vulnerable than other groups in other countries

Given the risk profile for covid I’m not sure that’s a blanket truth tbh.

The opinion I have is about every country who would choose to vaccinate their young and healthy population before turning outwards at the world. They also have a legal and moral duty to vaccinate those in occupied land.

But what about long covid or other effects of longer lockdowns?

Who decides on this global list?

Would you like a race to the bottom?

Not at all & fully support COVAX.
Sounds like you want one though.

@peardrops1 , in the same argument you could say countries with low numbers don't need vaccine just yet,