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Good News Part 8

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BBCONEANDTWO · 30/01/2021 13:40

Previous thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4144814-Good-news-part-7?watched=1&msgid=104169501#104169501

Useful links:

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

www.covidmessenger.com. thanks to LittleOwl for all her hard work!

ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk
NB Please don’t take this too seriously- it depends what vaccine delivery speed and uptake you estimate so it’s not written in stone.

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starfish88 · 03/02/2021 03:12

It was mentioned upthread (but now I can't find it), does anyone have a link to where it was said that the reduction in transmission can be inferred across all vaccines because essentially they all do the same thing? Plan a data drop on some of the negative people on my facebook!

tobee · 03/02/2021 06:51

Study finds antibodies last up to 6 months

BessMarvin · 03/02/2021 07:36

@starfish88

It was mentioned upthread (but now I can't find it), does anyone have a link to where it was said that the reduction in transmission can be inferred across all vaccines because essentially they all do the same thing? Plan a data drop on some of the negative people on my facebook!
I think it says that here www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55913913
starfish88 · 03/02/2021 08:02

Thanks! I'm having a really up day today so I'm forcing positivity onto everyone while I have the strength!

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 03/02/2021 08:29

I think the gist of this has already been posted, but it's great to read something upbeat:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55913913

GrumpySausage · 03/02/2021 08:51

There does seem to be a shift in the tone of some media outlets, definitely a more optimistic view.

MadisonAvenue · 03/02/2021 09:01

@Mrsorganmorgan

I had the Pfizer vaccine today ( South Wales, over 75). I love this thread and I have stopped watching the news, BBC particularly. I mostly lurk, but I love reading the positivity on this thread.
Wonderful! My mother in law in South Wales gets her vaccination tomorrow. You’ve been hit hard in your part of the world have you Flowers And yes, we’ve been avoiding the BBC news too!
Earlgrey666 · 03/02/2021 09:14

Thanks for all the posts on here, they have really helped me after a very wobbly, low day yesterday.

I wondered if anyone has a link to Prof Hunter talking about the Pfizer first dose being 91% effective? I have tried to find it but can't seem to and would like to send it to my 74 year old Mum who has just had her Pfizer and has been very anxious throughout the pandemic.

@Pomegranatespompom

on BBC News just now, Prof Hunter stating Pfizer 91% effective after 1 dose at 3 weeks - this is fantastic news ! Feel quite perked up.

Study to be published.

"The 2nd dose will extend immunity for many months"

Frazzled2207 · 03/02/2021 09:45

@Earlgrey666 I saw that too but am trying to ignore the relatively minor study that seems to suggest it doesn't work in the over 80s until they get a second dose.
My parents (mid seventies) have their vaccine tomorrow and with the recent press are really hoping they get AZ. I hope so too but I don't want them to be all doom and gloom if they get Pfizer. so will have to dig out more positive articles about that!!

FourTeaFallOut · 03/02/2021 09:57

They only have so many options when it comes to the kind of immunity that we can expect. They can't say years, we have no idea with that kind of scale but we can say months, and many months, with certainty. And then there is the trouble with potential new strains, you don't want to over egg the pudding in case you have to ask people to line up for a jab at the end of the year but they are doubtful it is necessary because they remember you said they'd be fine for longer.

It would drive me mad to work in public health, trying to coax the general public to be bloody sensible.

Welikebeingcosy · 03/02/2021 10:09

@starfish88 you can force all the positivity on me you like. I'm feeling a bit better seeing the number being so close to 10million and having walked past the local mass vaccination centre last night where the last few nurses and attendees were leaving whilst scaffolding was being put up- I guess to protect the queues from the rain. It made it feel real and progressive.

I had a thought and wondered if anyone on here would be able to give me a positive answer- anywhere else on Mumsnet and I'd probably be called a retard.

When I get my jab, will I be able to pass some of the antibodies onto my LO (who is nearly two) through breastfeeding? Would be so great if that were the case.

Welikebeingcosy · 03/02/2021 10:12

Also my positive news today is that after 20 months of suffering with diastasis recti and struggling to walk with it, last week I found a simple exercise online and doing a little bit each day has really made an impact as of today. My pain has gone and my stomach has shrunk by about half. All ready to leap around toddler groups when they reopen and walk in the sunshine with joy! Also I saw some crocuses budding up just now when walking LO to nursery!

ArianaVenti · 03/02/2021 10:15

@Wherediditgo

Ultimately, people (especially journalists) don’t understand the subtle but important different between ‘does not stop transmission’ and ‘there is no evidence that it stops transmission’

Likewise, ‘Pfizer jab won’t work with more than a three week gap’ and ‘no evidence to show Pfizer will work with more than a three week gap’

I’m no scientist but something being ‘true’ in the realm of science is saying ‘it has good data to back this assertion that has been peer reviewed’
And conversely, if it doesn’t, then ‘it hasn’t been proven’
But something not proven is not the same as something being false.

Sorry if I’m rambling Grin

Thank you for writing this @Wherediditgo. I am a scientist and I've been trying to tell people this for months! (I think scientists get so used to communicating the way we do within science that we don't realise how non - scientists will 'hear' what we say. And we're a bit crap at comms in any case)
JemimaPyjamas · 03/02/2021 10:22

Reading all the frustrations on here, please can I let off a bit of steam too?

I have realised more and more how some people insist on seeing the negative. Even people who ought to know better, or at least look at things more thoroughly!

I had a conversation with my friend last night, who I get on really well with (talk to all the time) and have felt irate since. She works in a medical field, which is currently linked to Covid, and is SOOOOOO negative even if I come up with something that refutes, or at least lessens, it. I realise that blind optimism is unrealistic along with pointless, but the thing I have enjoyed so much about this thread is that the majority of 'good news' is backed up with where it came from, and that doesn't mean things like the Daily Mail!

I don't want to scroll back through the messages now as I'll get annoyed, but she was saying how we'd be better trying to book a week in Wales or Cornwall (rather than the admittedly ambitious, but also fully refundable, trip to the Far East we have rescheduled), and I was saying that I cannot bring myself to pay so much for an average holiday cottage simply because it's August and also possibly because of the demand pushing prices up. (For context, I said looked at somewhere we once stayed in Padstow and it was £1450 for a week for somewhere that looked more like a static caravan than an actual house!) This lead onto a conversation where she was saying that nobody will be going anywhere, they are cocking up vaccines (I have no idea what this is supposed to be based on, but am guessing supply issues), you are still contagious even once vaccinated (and my links to Israel were dismissed due to 'their population is tiny') with an add that the Israel info is also only based on Pfzier and 'we are going to be stuck with the Oxford one.' I then said that things will speed up further with the J&J one later in the year, and that was greeted with 'but it's too expensive.'

From what I can gather, she was wrong, or at least partly wrong, on all of those points. However, she seemed determined to cling onto the Doom Factor and refuse to see anything else.

While I appreciate that things are bad in lots of ways, I do genuinely also think that there is SO much going into getting things back to normal again. Also, I have found that listening to people like Dr John Campbell so helpful as he can explain the why's and wherefores (and often just keeps to the info rather than also offers strong opinions) and it makes a big difference.

A good example is the transmissibility aspect; like someone said upthread that it's reported that 'there is no evidence that vaccines reduce transmissibility' whereas that really means they have no evidence yet!

I am not patriotic in the least, and I think Boris and Co have managed to cock up a lot of things and he is obviously very much out of his depth (while anyone would be, he's managing to be extra out of it!) but I do think that the vaccination side of the situation in this country is something to be proud of. I also think it will lift us out of the situation, and the whole world pretty much is desperate to get back to normal.

So many countries have lots billions to tourism and industry that this situation of constant lock-downs and travel disruption isn't sustainable, it'll end up being worse, long term, than the actual virus. Its also encouraging, from a selfish point of view, to see that some countries are opening their borders already to travellers if they've had a vaccine (it was in the Independent - think it's Cyprus, Seychelles and Romania so far) which will hopefully spread the more people are vaccinated and also the more that comes out about transmission.

I don't know if we'll make our holiday or not, I veer from one side to the other, but I do know that the world needs to start moving soon as there is only so much fall out from this that can be absorbed, and hence the spectacular efforts worldwide that are happening all the time.

And breathe... !

Earlgrey666 · 03/02/2021 10:32

@Welikebeingcosy

I know it is off topic but could you possibly send me a link to the diastasis recti exercises, I also have this issue and feel that I need to try and sort it out.
Thank you

FourTeaFallOut · 03/02/2021 10:34

To be fair, and I've had more than a few accusations of blind optimism, but I do think there could well be tight boarder restrictions throughout the year. And with that doubt in her mind, perhaps your friend needs something more concrete/ plausible to look forward to? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush kind of thing?

Welikebeingcosy · 03/02/2021 10:41

Here you go @earlgrey666

Let me know you are able to see this.

I swear I've tried so many recommended exercises- even ones from my physio- and this is the only one which worked. It's literally just breathing and pulling it all back together.

www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/08/07/541204499/flattening-the-mummy-tummy-with-1-exercise-10-minutes-a-day?t=1612348726473

JemimaPyjamas · 03/02/2021 10:41

I don't know, it felt more like she was dismissing everything I brought up and making it negative. I am sure there will be some restrictions, for example, but she was insisting on 'lockdown until at least July'.

Welikebeingcosy · 03/02/2021 10:42

@Earlgrey666

Not sure the tag worked above ^^

FourTeaFallOut · 03/02/2021 10:59

@JemimaPyjamas

I don't know, it felt more like she was dismissing everything I brought up and making it negative. I am sure there will be some restrictions, for example, but she was insisting on 'lockdown until at least July'.
Well, you are using your knowledge to achieve an outcome and it's counter to her gut instincts on the matter. It forces her to up the ante and increase her negativity to rationalise her feelings. It's going to end up like an optimism/pessimism arms race like this.
1990s · 03/02/2021 11:06

@JemimaPyjamas

I don't know, it felt more like she was dismissing everything I brought up and making it negative. I am sure there will be some restrictions, for example, but she was insisting on 'lockdown until at least July'.
It’s hard isn’t it, when you’re trying to find the positives in each bit, and someone else is clearly having it tough at that moment and has let a lot of the negative and sometimes incorrect things take over.

Keep your own positivity and maybe take a bit of distance, or maybe do as my Dsis does with her very negative mother in law, just drip drip tiny positive things into various conversations in a covert way.....

JemimaPyjamas · 03/02/2021 11:08

Good way of putting it, and I think you're right. I think she thinks she is using hers too but a lot of it was simply untrue, unknown or latching onto a small negative point (Oxford efficacy being lower than Pfzier) as if it's more significant than it is. It's weird as she's not generally like this.

JemimaPyjamas · 03/02/2021 11:11

@1990s I know that her work have banned travel till July, and she works in ventilation, and hence I think she has a lot of knowledge and experience.

The info she came out with though clashed with what I had seen, read, and, like I say, it wasn't just plucked out the Daily Mail!

I think everyone has an opinion, fair enough, but there was certainly a dogged determination to cling onto the gloom and refuse to take any other viewpoint seriously regardless of where it was from.

LetItGoGo · 03/02/2021 11:16

I have been thinking about the "turn".

So as acting like a pessimist is a good idea in bad times so being an optimist will set a person up better when the situation turns and improves (possibly rapidly.)

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