Good News Part 8

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Previous thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4144814-Good-news-part-7?watched=1&msgid=104169501#104169501

Useful links:

coronavirus.data.gov.uk

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

www.covidmessenger.com. thanks to LittleOwl for all her hard work!

ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk
NB Please don’t take this too seriously- it depends what vaccine delivery speed and uptake you estimate so it’s not written in stone.

Just read below on Twitter. No idea where this comes from but I am in a vaccine trial myself and I can believe it.

There were 75,000 people in the Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, Novavax and J&J trials who received a Covid vaccine and none of them died from Covid.

@Oldtimer2020 I am quite near one of the SA variant places too. I was somewhat reassured by the Dr on yesterday’s briefing saying that the vaccines still work on this variant to the level of efficiency needed to be approved.

Also, as with most of these, it seems to be that reductions in efficiency means in people getting it - outcomes for hospitalisations and deaths still seem strong. I think I read that somewhere but not sure where now. Will link if I find it.

Yep none of the new variants have been found to be more deadly in themselves. It is just that they may transmit more easily. So more people in hospital equals more deaths.

The vaccines work on the SA variant. Reducing serious illness and death. It is just the infection blocking part of the vaccine that doesn't work so well on the SA one.

Imagine two years ago if you said to someone. "Just stay away from people and wash your hands." 🤦‍♀️😂😂😂😂

@BBCONEANDTWO sorry to be a bit thick, but does this also mean that transmission is reduced too...? I am guessing so but want to ask before I start telling people (and end up totally wrong!)

I was alarmed and had a “oh god” moment yesterday when the news was breaking about the SA variant cases, but they do really seem to be going all guns blazing to weed out any other cases that are as yet unknown which is reassuring. Much more so than they have done previously too, so it seems like they’re learning lessons.

my local council of 100k people reported 0 cases until 26th and only 8 cases until 1st feb with them knowing where the 8 came from (one family caught from school), we were previously tier 3 and seeing rates of 200-300 per 100k to n/a per 100k last week so i am very hopeful
my work hospital, has quietened down also
we are in lincolnshire

frazzled That's bloody brilliant!

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum I agree about the SA variants. I think this is where it's important to look beyond headlines sometimes as otherwise things can look far worse than they actually are!

Press reports that it’s looking possible that every adult who wants a vaccine will be offered one by May.

This is INCREDIBLE if true.

Re the SA variant, someone made the point on a different thread that cases in SA had dropped massively so the variant can't be that much of an issue. Not sure if the logic of that is correct though 🤷‍♀️

[quote JemimaPyjamas]@BBCONEANDTWO sorry to be a bit thick, but does this also mean that transmission is reduced too...? I am guessing so but want to ask before I start telling people (and end up totally wrong!)[/quote]
Yes the vaccine still reduces infection of the SA variant. Just not as much as it does with the other variants.

However the amount of reduction is still more than the world health organisation recommends for a vaccinations.

@Florelei

Press reports that it’s looking possible that every adult who wants a vaccine will be offered one by May.

This is INCREDIBLE if true.

This is really hopeful 🤞🏻❤️

@Florelei

Press reports that it’s looking possible that every adult who wants a vaccine will be offered one by May.

This is INCREDIBLE if true.

They go from one extreme to the other with these news reports 😂

My hope is July lastest🤞

@Oldtimer2020

Ok ladies I’m having a bit of a wobble this morning and need to be bombarded with positive news please. We live adjacent to one of the SA virus red zones and it’s frightened me. I keep repeating to myself that two steps forward, one step back still means we are going forward. But needing some positive vibes please!

My idea of a good time is reading about the 1918/19 Spanish flu epidemic. It's now thought that the virus would have been mutating away, as this one is, throughout the epidemic, but they would have been unaware of it. Indeed, they didn't even know about viruses. So, although people were getting ill, they didn't keep panicking about this new mutation and that new mutation, because they didn't keep being told.

When my friend had Covid, I asked her if she would have thought anything of it beyond it being a bad cold, if it wasn't for the constant media coverage. She admitted that she wouldn't.

So, I'd like to suggest that your problem is not so much with the virus - and we are under threat of those all the time, always have been - but with the media onslaught. Which is partly (mainly?) designed to keep us all doing what we're told. Get stroppy, is my plan! Mentally; I don't mean go out and and hug people.

amicissima exactly!! Thank you for that!

Hmm well that’s good for your friend Amicissima but...
I’m sorry but I have had two bits of covid related bad news in the last 24 hours (one long covid, one person released from covid ward who is looking like he may have to go back) and while I think that’s an excellent point about Spanish flu, mutations and the news can we please be careful not to tip over into trivialising this?

We are starting routine surgery again this week - all figures ie beds/staffing in trust briefing are so much better.

Keep going - things will be better in next couple of weeks.

on BBC News just now, Prof Hunter stating Pfizer 91% effective after 1 dose at 3 weeks - this is fantastic news ! Feel quite perked up.

Study to be published.

The 2nd dose will extend immunity for many months.

That's really good news! That means my mum now has 91% protection. Thank you for cheering me up. Needed it today xx

Honestly it feels quite joyous @Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady 😊
We need new like this !

Do we think this is a likely scenario: roll out existing vaccines as fast as possible, giving good protection against the original covid and reasonable protection against new strains. Managing well over summer due to effect of vaccines, lockdown and summer weather. Then come eg September start booster jabs for the vulnerable groups with tweaked vaccines that work better against the new strains? That doesn’t sound too daunting but I don’t know how realistic it is

@Pomegranatespompom

on BBC News just now, Prof Hunter stating Pfizer 91% effective after 1 dose at 3 weeks - this is fantastic news ! Feel quite perked up.

Study to be published.

The 2nd dose will extend immunity for many months.

Amazing

@TheChineseChicken

Do we think this is a likely scenario: roll out existing vaccines as fast as possible, giving good protection against the original covid and reasonable protection against new strains. Managing well over summer due to effect of vaccines, lockdown and summer weather. Then come eg September start booster jabs for the vulnerable groups with tweaked vaccines that work better against the new strains? That doesn’t sound too daunting but I don’t know how realistic it is

Sounds good to me. We will have finished all adults by then and it’ll take a few months to produce new vaccine to do booster

I think they’ll give doses before 12 weeks - but I think we’ve enough vaccines (from backroom rumblings/rumours).

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

Hmm well that’s good for your friend Amicissima but... I’m sorry but I have had two bits of covid related bad news in the last 24 hours (one long covid, one person released from covid ward who is looking like he may have to go back) and while I think that’s an excellent point about Spanish flu, mutations and the news can we please be careful not to tip over into trivialising this?

I'm not sure this is trivialising Covid. For the vast majority of people this is a mild illness. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't follow the rules to protect the NHS and the vulnerable but really healthy people under 50 have a very small risk. That IS good news.