What do EU nationals think of the vaccines mess?

[Frazzled2207]

I’m a committed remainer. But the EU really did mess up last night. More seriously they are not in a good position right now with regards vaccine supply. Lots of anti-Eu posts here right now from committed remainers like me.

Just wondering what EU citizens make of all this and is there any bad feeling towards the UK? Do you think the EU has a right to some of the UK’s vaccine supply? Are people angry at the fact that the UK was able to secure more vaccines more quickly? Or are we coming across as selfish idiots?
Generally curious and am not here to start an argument

This thread is embarrassing to read. Not a great advert for the quality of the British educational system. Can’t vaccinate against stupidity apparently.

Oh dear at last few posts.

I’m up for supporting vaccination programme. Here or wherever you are.

Happy with approach here and trust the scientific approach. Pleased to see new data coming in.

If other countries want to do it differently no issue at all.

Same @FatCatThinCat . I've not put any further responses on this thread because people are just wanting to EU bash. Nazis ffs.

This is a German view....note I say a German view, not THE German view published in The Times. Frankly I think the government is following the right policy of saying very little and definitely don't engage in slanging matches about British vaccines not being effective when the EMA has licensed it.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ursula-von-der-leyens-mess-has-disgraced-europe-83vg2q70c?shareToken=5ed5fe7a0baf7b9a1e1a05b62842a995

This thread was seeking out the opinions of EU nationals. Unfortunately the requested EU voices have been shouted down and crowded out by frothing brits with an anti-EU agenda

It's perhaps worth bearing in mind the continued noise over this keeps other stories off the front pages of the UK MSM:

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/28/british-business-leaders-warn-of-substantial-difficulties-at-uk-ports

Note the date/day..

What occurred was news. Threat of article 16, 122, court case etc. Macron statement.

It wasn’t coming from U.K., but EU. U.K. barely responded politically.

It wasn’t coming from U.K., but EU. U.K. barely responded politically.

Thats absolutely true..but from what I've seen it's been the reverse when it comes to where the bandwidth has been used up discussing a short lived draft document on the commission website.

Interestingly the letter to uk gov from the five largest UK business groups warning of growing export problems hardly merited a mention in the UK press....."vaccine gate" continues...

I’m sorry I started this thread now as I was genuinely just after opinions from the other side of the channel. I’ve had a few, and thanks for those, but an awful lot more are just here for the squabble. How disappointing.

@Frazzled2207

I’m sorry I started this thread now as I was genuinely just after opinions from the other side of the channel. I’ve had a few, and thanks for those, but an awful lot more are just here for the squabble. How disappointing.

It has been disappointing, as a Brit resident in the UK I though it was a debate worth having but TBH I think some posts sound like they have the air of a "false flag" about them..

In all honesty I don’t think there are that many actual Eu citizens on here (not including those who are also British) which probably hasn’t helped with my question.

I have enjoyed reading posts from other Europeans.
Also reading European news on the matter.
Not a frothing brexiteer but confused by eu commission and their actions which ck continued this weeks with udvl and Merkel having a go at other countries like UK for rushing and Israel giving away data.
In truth the vaccination programme seems like one big trial.
We get some useful data about phizer from Israel and i expect the rest of the world will find the data from Oxford AZ encouraging.
What I have been perplexed about is France/ Germany/ Sweden /Poland and I think Italy said they don't want to use AZ on over 65s.
Hopefully phizer increase their productivity.
What blows my mind is sheer scale of it all as Europe they need much bigger numbers and they don't have a massive co-ordinated health care system so the logistics and deliver are much harder.
I just don't get how they messed up their orders so much.
Why they not ordered valneva and norovax.
Why they engaged in very public spat with az and dragged uk and Ireland into it.
Our British papers obviously did predictable responses but uk politicians for once stayed fairly quiet, calm and measured.

I do hope Europe gets more supply and their vulnerable and elderly are protected soon.
As seems like these new strains are everywhere and oh my UK has made many mistakes but all Europe struggled with this pandemic.

The Times article from a German point of view above is very interesting and says same as we’ve been saying here - although he says was a committed to the Commission prior to this. They are embarrassed saying Hungary and Poland are wondering what EU is about and looking East for help. Also says UVDL either lying or useless.

The attached article -says as I thought says France will only use on working age population...despite EU approving for ALL age groups and approval agencies saying no reason for that decision.

France seem to want to ignore new data coming out on efficacy.

They come out of this even more poorly than before and looks orchestrated after they won’t get as much supply of AZ as expected.

German article above in Times says how inept the drafting of contract was and didn’t entitle EU to what they are saying it did. hopefully member stares will decide to act for themselves and sort the mess out.

What a vaccine mess up the EU have created and added to anti vaccine brigade.

apnews.com/article/health-europe-coronavirus-pandemic-france-221a5cf684f1f36e57c7ab14cfe592c4

I’d save the sad faces and disappointment for the EU who have failed their elderly spectacularly with this farce.

I’d be disappointed that UK elderlyare being told the vaccine they’ve just had is ineffective and that people’s grandparents in EU will not get the option of having AZ vaccine as going to younger people first. Shocking.

@Floppywin
The Times article from a German point of view above is very interesting
Just to put this into perspective, please consider the source of the article: Peter Tiede is chief political reporter for Bild - the German equivalent of The Sun.

So a very popular well read paper you mean? One for the chattering classes to look down on? Papers reflect opinion and don’t create opinion.

If paper starts printing that Putin is actually a charming guy -people don’t believe it -they just start buying a different paper which reflects their world view.

My main source for the fiasco has been the EU anyhow - they just keep blundering on making things worse.

Direct frustration at your inept Commission and demand coherent explanation from them as to why against all scientific advice their politicians are not injecting over 65s? Macron is now the immunologist?

Frothing brexiteer insult is so last decade, if you were a child I’d say - grow up, but looks like you missed the day they taught polite discourse at your superior education establishment ....

@FatCatThinCat I agree.
Inflammatory language. Opinion mixed with fact. Selective quoting of facts. Wearying.

Weird the only mixing up I’ve seen is from Summerbody.

Do tell why you think politicians making decisions on over 65 not getting vaccine is ok? Ignore the science and listen to Macron....

What’s the opinion on that would be interesting to hear rather than adding nothing except sunmerbidy1 stating EU pulling funding to a vaccine was fault of Brexit! UK stepped up funding and EU shot in own foot again.

Hardly factual - Add some facts sunmerbody - your disdain makes you sound rather silly when you have nothing pertinent to say...

Why should Macron overrule science and exude who gets vaccine? That is a pertinent question ....

The EU want to gather more data before they use the AZ vaccines in over 65s. They are not saying never. And it's PFIZER not Phizer.

@Avondklok
Thanks for the reminder re Pfizer. Guilty!

The EU approved the AZ vaccine for all ages over 18. It's the individual countries what are choosing to limit it to under 55s or 65s.

www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-authorisation-eu

Bloody hell! What happened? What's with the stupid, vile posting?

Would you just stop with the vacuous jingoism!

Every fucking time a half decent, argumentative but informative politically based thread gets a good roll some idiots come and get all EDL on us!

PISS OFF!!!

Could we all just agree to ignore them, press the report button and pretend they just aren't there?

We don’t sing UK’s praises enough, if it was the EU doing this well it would be all over the news. We are nearly 15% of the UK population vaccinated, it is an amazing effort. I do worry for the over 65’s in Europe, no time line on when they will be vaccinated.

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccination-live-data-tracker/

Interesting piece on BBC re French reaction to UK signing a deal with Valneva. Sorry for the screenshots, it’s on the BBC Live page so not possible to link to directly.

That's yet more of the benefit of the Pandemic Plan we apparently didn't have!

Whilst everyone was shouting about PPE, closing borders, locking down, giving money to chums, etc, someone somewhere was making sure that "nothing was left on the table" when it came to spending the monies set aside on vaccine development. And yes, she was another one of those hateful, useless things the government was blamed for becasue she had a grandparent or something in common with someone in DCs family.

As it turns out... we don't have the very worst death figures, we don't have the very worst lockdown regime, financial collapse, we aren't the fastest at vaccinating our population. But you wouldn't kow it from the very many media interpreatations.

On which note: why isn't the EU asking Isreal (59%), the UAE (35%) and The Setchelles (31%) to slow down because they have too high a % of population vaccinated, with 1 or 2 jabs..

UK (15%)
Bahrain (10%)
USA (10%)
Serbia (7%)