Re AZ vaccine. Maybe I'm thick. Could someone explain why it's the UKs fault?

17thEarlOfOxford · 30/01/2021 09:03

Please consider using alternative online shopping services. Amazon pays very little UK tax and is often more expensive and lower quality than alternatives.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 30/01/2021 09:05

@17thEarlOfOxford

Please consider using alternative online shopping services. Amazon pays very little UK tax and is often more expensive and lower quality than alternatives.

Dear God.

Yrneh · 30/01/2021 09:06

@17thEarlOfOxford

Please consider using alternative online shopping services. Amazon pays very little UK tax and is often more expensive and lower quality than alternatives.

Anyway. I would also like to know the answer to OPs question.

LimitIsUp · 30/01/2021 09:08

Short answer: It isn't the UK's fault

InterfectoremVulpes · 30/01/2021 09:11

My neighbour gets an email from Amazon saying their package is delayed.

My understanding is that your neighbour had the item in their basket, dithered a few weeks and then received notification that the item in their basket that they hadn't actually ordered yet was now out of stock so would only get part of the order.

TheSockMonster · 30/01/2021 09:12

@17thEarlOfOxford

Please consider using alternative online shopping services. Amazon pays very little UK tax and is often more expensive and lower quality than alternatives.

Is this part of the metaphor?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 30/01/2021 09:12

Because your Neighbour is the leader of the local WI and you decided to leave before Christmas as you weren't keen on joining. She's petrified that your leaving the WI will cause a domino effect and everyone will leave and it's all she has in her life - she set it up to micromanage the village and know all the Goss at all times.

BoKatan · 30/01/2021 09:15

Was always massively pro EU but now I'm not so sure.

The EU fucked up big style and now they are trying to shift blame on the current bad guy, which is us.

The dispute is between AZ and the EU and yet the EU decided to drag the UK government into it and threatened the GFA. It's a total shambles.

Puppylucky · 30/01/2021 09:16

I don't think the EU is actually blaming the UK to be fair - that's just the UK media whipping things up as usual. They are blaming AZ for not supplying what they felt was contractually due.

meditrina · 30/01/2021 09:16

It isn't

AZ has contracts with many people.

It needs to fulfil each one

This is solely between EU and AZ, who EU appears to be accusing of bad faith. AZ denies this. They - the only two parties - need to sort this out, in court if needs be.

UK became involved when last night, EU took the utterly extraordinary step of unveiling article 16 (putting a hard border through the island of Ireland)l this was short lived, but an action that it is hard to explain other than in terms of bullying (especially when combined with sine rhetoric that has emerged over the last couple of days).

As it's not UK's issue, and as EU has rapidly rowed back from its detrimental step (which would have been punitive to those uninvolved in an EU trade dispute) then we can watch with the same sort of level of interest as any other non-EU country which has own contracts for vaccine supplies

idontgetpaidenoughforthis · 30/01/2021 09:17

@VettiyaIruken

Me and my neighbour both want a certain item from Amazon. I buy 2 because I want and need 2. A few weeks later my neighbour buys one.

Mine arrives. My neighbour gets an email from Amazon saying their package is delayed. My neighbour comes to me, banging on my door, yelling at me that Amazon haven't delivered and demanding that I give her mine or at least 1 of mine. I say no, I ordered them, I'm using them. She needs to take it up with Amazon. My neighbour screams at me that I'm a cunt and goes round the entire village yelling about what a twat I am.

No answer but great analogy! It helps me understand 😂

Piranesio · 30/01/2021 09:17

It isn't! The EU are just trying to push the blame away from their own fuck up.

And it sees that the UK has a surplus ordered and goes after it. It's complicated by the fact that the UK is merrily getting what it ordered while the same company is saying to the EU, sorry yours might be late because of manufacturing issues in European plants.

So to use your Amazon example, you preorder 10 items from Amazon, your neighbour also preorders 3 but a few months later. At the day of release, you get your 10, but your neighbour gets a "sorry your item is delayed" message. Still not your fault, but you neighbour might want to come to ask if you would let them have one of yours until theirs shows up. Problem is, rather than asking nicely (or perhaps they did first), the neighbour (EU) in this case has jumped on you as you left the house and pinned you against the wall, screaming in your face that your delivery should be theirs.

Justfivemoreminutesplease · 30/01/2021 09:17

It’s mad isn’t it. Perfect analogy.

I just see it as the Govt just getting something right (for once) and the EU also using it as an excuse to have a go at us, like some people acting irrationally after a bitter divorce 🤷🏼‍♀️

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2021 09:24

@BoKatan

Was always massively pro EU but now I'm not so sure.

The EU fucked up big style and now they are trying to shift blame on the current bad guy, which is us.

The dispute is between AZ and the EU and yet the EU decided to drag the UK government into it and threatened the GFA. It's a total shambles.

I agree.

I don't think the EU is actually blaming the UK to be fair - that's just the UK media whipping things up as usual

Implementing a hard border in NI with no warning/discussion was a very hostile move. Especially when you consider all the very recent brexit negotiations. Northern Ireland is a very delicate political situation and they can’t claim ignorance of this.

I’m interested to find out the view of Irish citizens on both sides of the border on this one. There’s a lot of free movement across and I wonder if they were aware of this before the EU implemented this tactic? I’d be pissed off that my country was being used strategically without debate.

The speed at which they withdrew their actions speaks volumes and I presume that there were many phone calls dropping the f bomb quite liberally.

Mumski45 · 30/01/2021 09:26

@17thEarlOfOxford
"Please consider using alternative online shopping services. Amazon pays very little UK tax and is often more expensive and lower quality than alternatives."

Thank you for lightening my mood this morning. You really made me giggle.

Herhereherhere · 30/01/2021 09:27

Think @17thEarlOfOxford comment could be part of the metaphor!

Say you ordered from the reputable supplier and paid a bigger deposit and a little more to make sure you got it on timeand the taxes were paid. Neighbour used Amazon as well as ordering late...

Cornettoninja · 30/01/2021 09:29

@meditrina I believe that the EU’s demands on vaccines also affected Canada (the USA have slammed the shutters down on their supplies) but I’m not really up to date on that. I think Pfizer have also made noises about shifting their manufacturing out of the EU if this kind of political posturing is going on.

BilboBercow · 30/01/2021 09:36

Hasn't the EU made a number of statements specifically stating their argument is with AZ not the UK?

mootymoo · 30/01/2021 09:36

Great analogy. Spot on. The EU is throwing it's toys out of the pram because they messed up and ordered later - Sanofi was their original order which hasn't come good yet. Excellent article in the guardian yesterday by Marina Hyde (no idea how you link it) - very funny read

Motorina · 30/01/2021 09:40

@Puppylucky

I don't think the EU is actually blaming the UK to be fair - that's just the UK media whipping things up as usual. They are blaming AZ for not supplying what they felt was contractually due.

German MEP tells the UK "You will suffer for this". eutoday.net/news/politics/2021/eu-uk-trade-war

But it's the UK media whipping things up.

WanderingMilly · 30/01/2021 09:44

Another one who thinks this is a great analogy, well done. And it makes perfect sense.....

ProfessorPootle · 30/01/2021 09:44

@Puppylucky

I don't think the EU is actually blaming the UK to be fair - that's just the UK media whipping things up as usual. They are blaming AZ for not supplying what they felt was contractually due.

This map speaks volumes! They’re definitely singling out the UK!!

The EU has a contract with AZ, it has nothing to do with the UK at all but we’re the handy scapegoat. Threatening export restrictions has resulted in Pfizer considering moving all production of their vaccine to the US. So they’ve shot themselves in the foot completely.

Re AZ vaccine. Maybe I'm thick. Could someone explain why it's the UKs fault?

Lanzo · 30/01/2021 09:44

You also invested in the product and provided your garage to help manufacture it. You and your family volunteered to test the product to check it was safe. Meanwhile your neighbour has been badmouthing the product all over town despite wanting to get their hands on it.

Motorina · 30/01/2021 09:46

@mootymoo

Great analogy. Spot on. The EU is throwing it's toys out of the pram because they messed up and ordered later - Sanofi was their original order which hasn't come good yet. Excellent article in the guardian yesterday by Marina Hyde (no idea how you link it) - very funny read

This? www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/29/nationalism-vaccine-mutation-uk-eu

StrangerHereMyself · 30/01/2021 09:49

Nobody is saying it’s the UK’s fault. Nobody has rung up Boris Johnson and screamed at him.

It’s much more like you ordering a weekly delivering of cat litter from Amazon Fresh, your neighbour ordering it and later being told their delivery will be delayed and then getting on the phone to Amazon and saying that they’ve got a contract and if they’re delivering it to you then they should deliver it to them and why does she pay 79 quid a year for Prime if not to get fucking service, and that cat litter they delivered last week was theirs by right and they should have your delivery for next week instead. At no point is anyone screaming at you, though obviously you may be nvolved.