Why should the UK vaccine supply be diverted to Europe?

[lovelemoncurd]

They ordered 3 months later than the UK. They have themselves less time to sort glitches. They have been slow to the table and now they wish to punish to UK for being efficient.

I was a remain voter. I'm starting to change my mind!

@NotGenerationAlpha

There's no reason but that individual nations look out for themselves. Remember at the start of this, the US blocked shipments of PPE out of the country?

So did Germany...

@MRex

If AZ didn't tell EU about their commitment to the UK How on earth would it be credible for the entire EC team working on procurement to not know that the UK had already purchased some vaccine from AZ? It was all over all the media.

I said if they didn't tell them about a contractual commitment to UK that they have "first dibs".

@BentBastard since when do people discuss contracts about others, there are always confidentiality rules

Thanks for the link DamnUserName21, though that "eminetra" thing sounds like a direct lift from the Mail (and no, I've never heard of eminetra either )

I guess I'll wait until there's something more definite before commenting ...

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@BentBastard since when do people discuss contracts about others, there are always confidentiality rules [/quote]

What I'm saying is that if EU signed up to "best efforts" not knowing that UK had a first dibs contractual obligation from AZ then I can see why EU would be pissed off, because the commitment to them is lesser than they believed it to be when they signed.

I don't know what the contractual obligations are to any party of what any party knew. I was just responding to a comment about EU feeling pissed off

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Thanks for the link DamnUserName21, though that "eminetra" thing sounds like a direct lift from the Mail (and no, I've never heard of eminetra either )

I guess I'll wait until there's something more definite before commenting ...

Very wise, @Puzzledandpissedoff

I should have caveated my comment about Sturgeon with a big 'IF.'

@BentBastard i have no issue with them being pissed off but some of what they threatened re: export restrictions and things about uk are not on
It should of all been between them and Az and shouldn't be releasing things to the press , the uk had their contract and the eu has theres none of this is the uk's fault

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@BentBastard i have no issue with them being pissed off but some of what they threatened re: export restrictions and things about uk are not on
It should of all been between them and Az and shouldn't be releasing things to the press , the uk had their contract and the eu has theres none of this is the uk's fault [/quote]

I bloody! This is the problem when people read a single post without looking at any of the context of the discussion it was part of.

A poster said EU are bound to be pissed off and my reply was an agreement that I can see why they would be pissed off in these x circumstances.

Sorry, that was meant to be I agree!

I admit I hastily wrote bloody agree then took a breath and removed the bloody, only I removed the agree

@Oreservoir

From what I read online Germany seem determined to destroy the credibility of the AZ vaccine as effective for over 65’s.

Well, we'll have plenty of evidence for them over the next few weeks - please God all positive.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Publishing UK (Scottish) vaccine numbers will not go down well with her electorate

It will if she can make it sound as if "England's got more" and are somehow cheating the Scots out of theirs ... after all it's a song sheet she's used often enough before

Does anyone have a link to what she's actually said though? I can only find it in the Mail and it's not exactly reliable

I could only find the mail as well

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9196445/amp/MEPs-threaten-TRADE-WAR-UK-vaccine-supplies.html

It does have useful map of how much each country ordered and which counties its made in.
Also points out reason Moderna delayed is agreement with American government to put America first.

It seems out of the3 Europe ordered lots phizer who are also scaled back production yet they not kicking off that company.
Why authorise moderna 2nd if they already said march.
Why haven't they authorised Oxford az 2nd?

What's the vaccine priority in Europe or is it different in each nation.
As if Germany won't use az on under 75 then how are they vaccinating their elderly and most vulnerable .
We haven't finished vaccinating our elderly yet.
I get impression its more just in time supply not that we hold massive stockpiles.
Yes we placed lots of orders but we don't have them all they all different times and we only authorised 2 .

@jcyclops

Any vaccine exported to EU should be put on the refrigerated lorries containing Scottish fish

Good point 😂😂😂

This is in a BBC article, I understand now why the EU are making so much noise and making it so public but this won’t help them get the vaccines any quicker.

“Failure 'would unleash a crisis'
Spanish daily El País says the slow rollout is a "lethal threat to the EU" and distribution poses a "political risk" for the union.
"A failure of the vaccination plan would unleash a crisis of European institutions' competence and confidence in them, which is difficult to restore."
Blame might lie with the EU for "massively overestimating" the production capacities of manufacturers and "underestimating" the price, says German public broadcaster ZDF.

I think few countries have the capacity to give out the pfizer jab in huge numbers, hence the lack of concern over delays or perhaps they do better contracts?

OxZ offers easy mass vaccination, so everyone wants it! and until contracts are published and the EU have asked for AZ to publish, we do not know what was promised to the EU.

It would put the EU beyond ridicule if the contract is what AZ CEO have implied, perhaps the EU is correct? then what?

No 10 not ruling out sending vaccine to EU- headline in Guardian

That is a good point made regarding Phizer delays. Canada will still be receiving their Phizer vaccine supply (although reduced) and it's coming from Belgium.

globalnews.ca/news/7604822/covid-canada-vaccine-delivery-delay/
Where is the EU's anger towards Phizer?

The vaccine race for supplies was always going to be based on the country of origin of the vaccine, especially if government were involved in funding. Whilst I agree that the government were better on this front it is really down to the success of Oxford and the failure of the French vaccine.

It's just the absolute worse PR for them, it really is.

It couldn't really be a worse and literally coming off the back of brexit...

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Publishing UK (Scottish) vaccine numbers will not go down well with her electorate

It will if she can make it sound as if "England's got more" and are somehow cheating the Scots out of theirs ... after all it's a song sheet she's used often enough before

Does anyone have a link to what she's actually said though? I can only find it in the Mail and it's not exactly reliable

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/boris-johnson-raises-security-concern-nicola-sturgeon-says-shell-republish-vaccine-supply-figures-3115984

I know nothing about The Scotsman but it does have direct quotes. And it isn't the Daily Mail, hurrah!

What I'm saying is that if EU signed up to "best efforts" not knowing that UK had a first dibs contractual obligation from AZ then I can see why EU would be pissed off, because the commitment to them is lesser than they believed it to be when they signed.

But surely normal business practice is that whatever contract you've signed with customer A is commercially sensitive, and customer B has no right to know what it is.

The EU funded the development in the UK. Of the vaccine and it pre-ordered the vaccine. The manufactorer has gone back on the order

They should deliver on their order

It should have all been between them and AZ and shouldn't be releasing things to the press

No chance I'm afraid - not when vaccine approval's imminent and they're facing the prospect of an angry public yelling "Where's ours??"

What's the vaccine priority in Europe or is it different in each nation

I don't know the answer to that, 3asAbird - love the username BTW - but whatever it is they'll probably all be fighting like cats soon. For all the blabbing about "the union" it's amazing how fast it can break down when national interests are threatened

FWIW there's not much to admire over the UK's handling of the virus either, but I admit to a wry smile over the silence of the "all leavers are morons" crowd

Why is the anger always so one directional? Why do some commenters seem to feel that everything the EU does is out of some noble higher call, while the UK is on a mission to spread evil around the world?

If the situations were reversed people would be lambasting Johnson and the UK.

What is Germany playing at? It blocked exports of its masks to Italy back when the latter was in the throes of devastation. It then tried to back pedal later by flying a few french patients into germany to make it look like there was some semblance of EU solidarity.

Now it is undermining the efficiency of AZ and pushing through new regulations to block exports.

How has Germanys behaviour been anything but frankly disgusting through this pandemic?

And France is no better, with its 60% vaccine refusal rate, its Pasteur vaccine fail and its temper tantrum to ensure as many Sanofi supplies as Pfizer supplies were ordered, thereby holding up the whole vaccination process.

I'm in the EU and the pandemic has completely changed my feelings on the EU now. It's been a complete shit show and the virus and vaccine has been used as a political plaything and platform for jingoism - all things the UK was accused of using us immigrants and emigrants as.

@bluethrough if the eu are correct then it is still their beef with Az there was no reason to bring the uk into it the way some have, and no one has corrected this.
Pfizer is behind and So they should be treating all the same
Everybody wants more than can be provided at the moment
Demand outstrips supply

@maddy68 the eu didn't entirely fund it at all