Why should the UK vaccine supply be diverted to Europe?

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They ordered 3 months later than the UK. They have themselves less time to sort glitches. They have been slow to the table and now they wish to punish to UK for being efficient.

I was a remain voter. I'm starting to change my mind!

@RedToothBrush

Also on the Malawi question, who is manufacturing vaccine and paying for vaccine comes into play here.

The UK is better placed to help places which dont have their own capability to make or fully fund vaccination of the whole population, if they look after their own population and economy first.

Its a harsh reality but one that does exist.

It's besides the point... We are at war with this virus... In a world war if we were being attacked from all angles by the enemy we would stand our ground and fight until the battle is won....

Not send our troops out of the country to help other countries fight.

Furries no probs, your typing was probably closer to how I felt too but didn’t write ;

instead of thinking of how we connect or how things work

That's why I think it's important to vaccinate as much of the population as possible.

It may well be that the best thing we can do to protect people in Malawi etc is to vaccinate as many of the U.K. population as fast as possible to limit the 'Kent' mutation.

Also I'm wondering if any of the potential vaccine producers whose own development efforts haven't been successful should now be trying to get non-profit licenses in place to put their facilities into use for one of the ones that's all the way through trials. Maybe there are discussions of this sort underway already, I don't know.

@MessAllOver clearly thinks they are so superior to others.
When the realitiy her giving up her jab will not mean it goes to brazil say as they are being made in factories closer.
Donating to covax or raising awareness etc would be the way to go , even a petition to government to send more funds etc would be more worthwhile @MessAllOver have you done any of these things ?

I posted this on another thread, but it's worth being aware that the astrazeneca cold chain logistics are set up on a roughly per-continent basis. This plan is to send vaccine from India to Malawi. It would be more expensive, time consuming and difficult to pop a few vaccines over from Europe. That's why money is requested for Covax instead of supply from specific countries.
"COVID-19 visual resources" www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/covid-19-media.html

Not send our troops out of the country to help other countries fight.

Errrr... Im not entirely sure that is completely consistent with history but never mind why bother with it if it ruins your point.

Yes. Lots of glee on this thread about the prospect of vulnerable "foreigners" being left unvaccinated while we whizz through our population

There is zero 'glee' about this apart from in your own head

Definitely a lot of back slapping, glee? from some posters yes.

There is a finite supply of vaccine, the UK is insisting it gets its 100m doses first, thats enough to vaccinate every adult here, excluding the pfizer vaccines, excluding those who wont vaccinate, exc those who cannot take a vaccine.

So basically we want to stockpile vaccine.

@MarshaBradyo - I need to work on my reactionary skills 🤣

All I did was shake it up a bit.

Hahaha!

India has send 2mln doses of the Astra Zeneca to help Bangladesh..just saying..

@redtootbrush my understanding is its only a short term supply issue and the uk is only going to get higher risks done prob april/ may with 2 jabs, remember we are gambling and spreading doses out in order to achieve more with the first dose.
And maybe things could change going forward but a goverment won't announce that now why we are all sat at home.
They need the proof that the hospitals admissions and deaths are coming down, you only need to see on here how many think they should have before elderly.
And to do all over 50's will likely be more in summer , with other vaccinations on the horizon it could all be very different as more supplies come.

Its also disengenous to say the uk would have to had to abide by that centralised purchasing and approval. If the uk had acted unilaterally it would have been more of an incentive for others in the EU to have done the same. The uk leaving meant it was easier for the eu to apply pressure to make countries take part in centralised purchasing. It changed the dynamics of the bloc and the influence the commission had.

@RedToothBrush Oh so the mess the EU has made of this is our fault now. Of course!

Clutching. At. Straws.

So basically we want to stockpile vaccine.

No, the plan is to ensure sufficient supply by having contracts with more than one supplier, and then the excess can be donated to other countries. There's no actual stockpile because the vaccines are being pretty much used as fast as they're made.

@jcyclops
Any vaccine exported to EU should be put on the refrigerated lorries containing Scottish fish

@bluethrough where is your proof uk is stockpiling ? The 100 m may take ages we may be on having to re vaccinate , who knows

@LenaBlack yes and uk has donated to covax , lots of countries are helping others

@donewithitalltodayandxmas. I don't think I'm superior to you or anyone else, I just disagree with you. That is allowed, isn't it?

India has send 2mln doses of the Astra Zeneca to help Bangladesh..just saying..

This is a good thing but it's not completely altruistic. Plus they have millions stockpiled.

@LenaBlack

India has send 2mln doses of the Astra Zeneca to help Bangladesh..just saying..

My understanding of the situation in India was that it had the biggest vaccine stockpiles in the world prior to any approvals being made. I could be wrong on this but i thought i had seen something about how it had managed to get more than anyone else and not a lot wasn't being made of this elsewhere in the world. It wasn't pre orders to match its population either, it was actual stock. And id heard the story before all this between the uk and eu had kicked off.

@RedToothBrush Oh so the mess the EU has made of this is our fault now. Of course!

Clutching. At. Straws.

This.

@Dongdingdong

Its also disengenous to say the uk would have to had to abide by that centralised purchasing and approval. If the uk had acted unilaterally it would have been more of an incentive for others in the EU to have done the same. The uk leaving meant it was easier for the eu to apply pressure to make countries take part in centralised purchasing. It changed the dynamics of the bloc and the influence the commission had.

@RedToothBrush Oh so the mess the EU has made of this is our fault now. Of course!

Clutching. At. Straws.

Twisting what ive said as usual. Not engaging.

Exactly. 100m doses are not going to sit in a warehouse for us to use at leisure. They are being used as fast as they are made. And by the time we vaccine more people through this year then we will probably need to re vaccine those who got it in December.

Talk of stockpiling is just intended to imply the U.K. are being unfair. Whereas we actually secured a sensible contract with AZ for our needs and to mitigate risks that other vaccines were put viable or could not be secured.

@RedToothBrush that's my understanding too plus they don't want China to help Bangladesh first.

As ever with the EU , you are only as strong as your weakest caravan. As they are all one land mass and have open borders it makes sense to try and move as one. However - how altruistic will the Germans feel now their cases have spiraled out of control and they could have had vaccs sooner but Merkel said no?

How will some Germans feel when a relative passes away who would have been eligible because Merkel wants the Ex Eastern Bloc countries to all be in line too but they are breaking off and getting stuff from Russia to sort their citizens out?

Its going to cause a massive fault line, I am sure we will either see the end of the EU or the almost disintegration of Nations within it.