New data reveals jobs with highest death rate from coronavirus

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@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

Excellent post

Seems like some posters are trying to explain away the higher death stats amongst low-paid workers with the allegation that a lot of these people 'don't look after their health, are overweight, smokers, BAME etc.'? You could say the same about 1/3 of the teachers at my kids primary school! Maybe just admit that teachers aren't the most exposed.

[quote Arundelclassrom]@cardibach
Every single teacher, as nauseam, since this all began "no other professional has to work with no masks in close contact with so many people, teachers are THE MOST EXPOSED PREOFESSION EVER"
everyone else "nursery staff? Prison staff? Restaurant staff? NHS staff not working on ICU?"
Teachers "no you don't understannnnnnd, our risk is somehow so much higher and the government are sacrificing us for no reason"
And then we look at the death stats. Doesn't really stand up does it...[/quote]
Well said

Death rates don’t measure exposure though.

“Low skill”
Always makes me laugh... Disgusting.

@ichundich

Seems like some posters are trying to explain away the higher death stats amongst low-paid workers with the allegation that a lot of these people 'don't look after their health, are overweight, smokers, BAME etc.'? You could say the same about 1/3 of the teachers at my kids primary school! Maybe just admit that teachers aren't the most exposed.

Exactly. At my workplace we have people from early 20s to 60s, and I'd say a proportionate number of smokers and overweight compared with the general population. I'm on £10 an hour but agency workers are on less.

[quote Arundelclassrom]@cardibach
Every single teacher, as nauseam, since this all began "no other professional has to work with no masks in close contact with so many people, teachers are THE MOST EXPOSED PREOFESSION EVER"
everyone else "nursery staff? Prison staff? Restaurant staff? NHS staff not working on ICU?"
Teachers "no you don't understannnnnnd, our risk is somehow so much higher and the government are sacrificing us for no reason"
And then we look at the death stats. Doesn't really stand up does it...[/quote]
You’ve nailed it but they’ll all continue to moan about how special they are.

[quote Arundelclassrom]@cardibach
Every single teacher, as nauseam, since this all began "no other professional has to work with no masks in close contact with so many people, teachers are THE MOST EXPOSED PREOFESSION EVER"
everyone else "nursery staff? Prison staff? Restaurant staff? NHS staff not working on ICU?"
Teachers "no you don't understannnnnnd, our risk is somehow so much higher and the government are sacrificing us for no reason"
And then we look at the death stats. Doesn't really stand up does it...[/quote]
Let's get figures on infections rather than deaths. That will tell us how much teachers are likely to contribute to community transmission. And thats the big problem and why schools remain shut. Your post doesn't really stand up does it?

I’m relieved that there people on here who read stats and can interpret them.
I’m a secondary teacher and totally disassociate myself from the militant tendency on here who shame my profession by endlessly bleating on about teachers being hard done by, while continually bragging about their Amazon purchases—hardly ‘essential’ and putting delivery’s drivers and warehouse workers at risk...
Zero compassion for low paid supermarket and food distribution/processing.
Teachers have secure jobs (unless they are incompetent) and pensions -I’m grateful for that and also having a job I enjoy and where I am also learning every day.
And... from the stats (and also my personal experience of knowing no-one seriously ill, let alone dead, much bette outcomes than other demographics.

Let's get figures on infections rather than deaths. That will tell us how much teachers are likely to contribute to community transmission. And thats the big problem and why schools remain shut.

The really big problem is that before closure, school kids were massively infected and contributing to community transmission (7 times more likely to be the first case in a household).

That illustrates what I mean when I say death rates aren’t a measure of exposure - secondary school kids were the most infected subset of the population and yet very unlikely to die.

The issue there is that they spread it to more vulnerable groups.

@noblegiraffe I think a lot of people would agree with this, but that is not what a lot of teachers were saying. They were saying that they were in much more danger than others of dying. These figures show that isnt true, which is surely good news.

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

This

@EmmanuelleMakro

I’m relieved that there people on here who read stats and can interpret them. I’m a secondary teacher and totally disassociate myself from the militant tendency on here who shame my profession by endlessly bleating on about teachers being hard done by, while continually bragging about their Amazon purchases—hardly ‘essential’ and putting delivery’s drivers and warehouse workers at risk... Zero compassion for low paid supermarket and food distribution/processing. Teachers have secure jobs (unless they are incompetent) and pensions -I’m grateful for that and also having a job I enjoy and where I am also learning every day. And... from the stats (and also my personal experience of knowing no-one seriously ill, let alone dead, much bette outcomes than other demographics.

This too!

Bartlet
I am special. So are the chefs, nursery workers, taxi drivers and so on. If conditions aren’t safe, we shouldn’t have to work in them - and if society grinds to a halt, then we are all in the same boat, aren’t we? Alternatively, we make them safe. So many of you are sat working safely at home and have absolutely no idea.

Can I suggest people look at the hidden data in tab 10?

It is indeed shocking that teachers have to buy their own equipment form Amazon to mean that they can teach from home when MPs have received considerable extra funding. I am sure that is what you meant to point out there.

@Handsnotwands

I’m with harbackwriter. Factory workers, those in processing, manufacturing, warehouses and operations, who, let’s face it we are all totally reliant on don’t fit the popular hero narrative. They just keep turning up to their badly paid, precarious jobs, with no chance of social distancing and often not even any bloody windows to be opened. It is shameful.

I’m glad data is here so decisions can be made on occupational risk and vaccines

They were saying that they were in much more danger than others of dying.

Having been accused of saying things that I’ve never said plenty of times on here I am pretty sceptical of posts like this.

What is just being realised is that the ONS have cut off their figures at 64, and therefore these figures are hiding an awful lot of deaths in those professions in the 65+ age category.

The number of secondary teachers who have died goes up from 52 to 148 when you include over 65s for example.

Why have they not included all workers?

I’m not surprised re chefs for reasons pp have put

Thanks for posting this. So sad for all their families. And so brave to all the keyworkers who keep going to work.

@MirrorMirrors

Why is this whole thread about teachers...again?

1. I think you will find that there are a lot of teachers on here.

1. There were a lot of posts about teachers dying/dropping like flies. Huge death rates etc. Thankfully not true.

1. Middle class professionals shout loud, have unions and a big voice so you hear a lot from them/about them.

1. Minimum wage delivery drivers, chefs in cramped takeaway kitchens, minimum wage care workers etc etc are working long hours and don't have the time/inclination to post on MN?

@noblegiraffe

They were saying that they were in much more danger than others of dying.

Having been accused of saying things that I’ve never said plenty of times on here I am pretty sceptical of posts like this.

What is just being realised is that the ONS have cut off their figures at 64, and therefore these figures are hiding an awful lot of deaths in those professions in the 65+ age category.

The number of secondary teachers who have died goes up from 52 to 148 when you include over 65s for example.

Why have they not included all workers?

Actually noble - one of your posts below, I did a really quick look and didn't take long:

"noblegiraffe Fri 11-Dec-20 14:00:14
Oh come stop being so affronted.
You’re telling me that unis and care homes are of national interest but that schools aren’t.
And that you’d prefer schools to stay out of the national headlines despite being a national crisis in order to keep your status quo.
How exactly do you think any headway will be made regarding masks, ventilation and testing (national policy decision making) while there’s no publicity?
Fgs teachers are dropping like flies and you suggest it’s not important. Of course I’m affronted by your lack of giving a shit until it hits your own kids. "

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

I wonder if they adjusted the teacher/school staff figures to cover only September to December, as schools were closed from 20 March until 4 Sept.

Eh? How come I was working in school from May half term onwards? Schools were open to several year groups for the summer 2 term.

Yes, fancied, when I said dropping like flies there, I meant catching covid. I was looking around at my colleagues catching it.

I don’t personally know any teachers who have died from covid, thankfully.

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

I completely agree and it's good that other less well paid occupations are being highlighted.