New data reveals jobs with highest death rate from coronavirus

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I'm not a teacher either. But I am finding it hard to understand from this how people working in education and health compare with other workers. It's important in terms of questions being asked at the moment, about how safe schools are, how vaccine roll out should go etc.

My family would have been vulnerable in all sorts of ways when I was young. People in catering are often from BAME backgrounds, there might be other factors like deprivation/ multi generational living. Also, catering hasn't been able to function in lockdown so there may be great financial pressures for some of these people, that might be more significant than the risks in the workplace.

Overall this leaves a lot of questions unanswered.

And I still feel sorry for the teachers and the pressures they/ve been under, by the way.

Well, not quite. Teachers have always said that distanced classrooms would be much safer. That’s what we had from lockdown until the summer holidays

So no other occupation had made covid precautions? I doubt that somehow.

I’m with harbackwriter. Factory workers, those in processing, manufacturing, warehouses and operations, who, let’s face it we are all totally reliant on don’t fit the popular hero narrative. They just keep turning up to their badly paid, precarious jobs, with no chance of social distancing and often not even any bloody windows to be opened. It is shameful.

@Handsnotwands

I’m with harbackwriter. Factory workers, those in processing, manufacturing, warehouses and operations, who, let’s face it we are all totally reliant on don’t fit the popular hero narrative. They just keep turning up to their badly paid, precarious jobs, with no chance of social distancing and often not even any bloody windows to be opened. It is shameful.

And no pay whilst sick/isolating

A lot of the listed occupations will involve night shifts - working nights, sleeping days, little daylight exposure.

So we're back to vitamin d (or possibly chronic long term sleep deprivation?).

@Handsnotwands

I’m with harbackwriter. Factory workers, those in processing, manufacturing, warehouses and operations, who, let’s face it we are all totally reliant on don’t fit the popular hero narrative. They just keep turning up to their badly paid, precarious jobs, with no chance of social distancing and often not even any bloody windows to be opened. It is shameful.

I work in manufacturing. 19 staff tested positive over the past couple of weeks. I understand that teachers feel at risk but at least they have been listened to and the majority of children are now on remote learning. Meanwhile I physically cannot work from home so I'm still having to go out every day to my non essential role for less than £9ph.

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

Who are you talking to here?

No, we’re back to the faceless, poorly educated, often young, often “foreign” who keep our country running being totally overlooked, unsupported, unprotected and unappreciated.

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

Well said.

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

Very well said.

As a teacher, it's quite an uncomfortable realisation that some of my colleagues seem to want us to be in the groups with the most deaths.

It is absolutely scandalous that the essential workers in food production etc have so little protections both whilst at work and in terms of job security and pay, should they need time off.

At least we're getting something right with nurses and (particularly) care home workers getting vaccinated early. But agree, this just confirms the data that was released after the first peak. People in poorly paid jobs are most at risk of death, middle class professionals are least at risk. It was ever thus.

Some teachers just can't help themselves can they! Sod tbebus drivers, supermarket workers, porters, cleaners, prison officers etc who are exposed to covid every day too, its all about them isn't it! Christ, MN is becoming intolerable at the moment with the constant need to harp on about teachers!! Many, many of us are working every day in high risk environments with little to no PPE, but you never hear about anyone else complaining.

I imagine the main contributing factor with a lot of the figures is age

Which is why the vaccine should be given in the current order and not by job

I live in Liverpool and almost all the people I know who work in taxis, factories, warehouses are old, overweight, and sorry to say do not look the picture of health - this is just my personal observation of the people I know who work their and their comments about it too

Whilst teachers may get infected more they are clearly at no more risk of dyin and whilst I know there is long covid etc etc right now the focus with vaccine is reducing deaths

I can name several taxi drivers who have died of covid and even as a teacher myself I don’t know a single one who caught it and Liverpool has been on lockdown ta longer than most areas

We had schools fully open when our cases were 750/100000 - they’re lower than that now

Clearly not all people who work in factories are as I described but it’s an obsevation of the people I know who work there

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

Well said

Thank god we’ve got some data to blow a hole in the myth that teachers that teachers are dropping like flies and are more at risk than other occupations. No chance it will stop the teachers on here banging on endlessly about how dangerous their workplace is but at least it’s easier to challenge their self-absorbed rants.

So does that mean they didn't just look at Sept - Dec, as they clearly should have? Crikey, a child could rip that methodology apart. Embarrassing.

The data for every single other occupation will also include measures taken to protect staff, so the one taken to protect teachers are relevant too. A child could rip that methodology apart. Crikey, it's a worry.

@Hardbackwriter

Did it not occur to you to maybe express just a little bit of sympathy or concern for the fact that so many of the lowest paid and least respected in society have been left at the greatest risk - which I think is sobering and shameful - before banging on about yourself as a teacher? You could have pretended to be less self-absorbed?

Agreed. Harrowing stats to read.

In order to compare occupations it would have been better to compare infection rates rather than death rates as the latter are highly dependent on the demographics of the individual.

I’m also in Liverpool Pastanred and noticed right through the worst of our several outbreaks the figures have been quite low in the 0-19 age range.

Months ago I got shot down on MN for suggesting that food manufacturers and shop workers were at just as much risk. I was shocked at the lack of empathy.

Whilst I agree in principle with what you say hardback the ONS themselves chose to write a whole paragraph in their analysis on education professionals without really explaining satisfactorily why they removed the (low paid etc) TAs and other support staff form the calculations.

PHS have done a much more thorough, but similar, survey into teachers.

This level of occupational data was only put together - with great reluctance- by the ONS after several FOI requests.

Jesus, can't the teachers just pipe down and let something be said about the poor people and professions that ARE being affected by this pandemic.

It's not all about you.

Which teacher on here are you getting at?

Thank god we’ve got some data to blow a hole in the myth that teachers that teachers are dropping like flies and are more at risk than other occupations. No chance it will stop the teachers on here banging on endlessly about how dangerous their workplace is but at least it’s easier to challenge their self-absorbed rants

Wow, there are actual dead teachers you know : well over 100 of them. Secondary teachers are dying at a higher rate. Perhaps it is you that needs to show some compassion for any people who have die before retirement age whilst in service, regardless of profession but instead you express glee.

I don't think there is a definition of 'dropping like flies'.