Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

[quote trulydelicious]@GrannyRose15

Most people by the time they are 70 accept mortality

One thing is to die. Something very different is to be killed by the self-centredness of others

Lord Sumption the other day stated, that it’s time to prioritise the young

Sure, one opinion amongst millons, so what?

It's a pity nobody asked us if we wanted the country to shut down to save us. Many would have said no

It would have been your response, and that's fine. But you cannot speak for others who do want to be given a chance to live.[/quote]
Yet you are prepared to let others suffer to save you.

@Someonetookmyname

On second thoughts - have asked for the above post to be removed having read the Samaritans guidance (aimed at journalists).

I do believe these things should be acknowledged and discussed (because they are so important) but can now see it needs to be done very very sensitively.

I’d just like to say thank you for this. When views and feelings are strong - and rightly from both sides imo - it shows something when someone takes a step back to consider nuances.

I could do better with doing that, so thank you.

Thank you @Someonetookmyname

You'll be breaking windows, attacking the police, damaging and/or setting fire to infrastructure, attacking anyone who tries to stop you from damaging their property, turning over tables in restaurants where people are eating peaceably etc etc? Sure you will

It doesn't actually take more than a few people rioting to end lockdowns though---once you have a certain amount of disturbance, a lot of other people will just start breaking LD rules because the police attention will be diverted elsewhere.

I don't commend this. I do however think that the EU needs to get on with delivering the vaccine and then peeling back restrictions pretty soon, because people are getting really really fed up.

@user1477391263

You'll be breaking windows, attacking the police, damaging and/or setting fire to infrastructure, attacking anyone who tries to stop you from damaging their property, turning over tables in restaurants where people are eating peaceably etc etc? Sure you will

It doesn't actually take more than a few people rioting to end lockdowns though---once you have a certain amount of disturbance, a lot of other people will just start breaking LD rules because the police attention will be diverted elsewhere.

I don't commend this. I do however think that the EU needs to get on with delivering the vaccine and then peeling back restrictions pretty soon, because people are getting really really fed up.

Agreed - that is, surely, the aim of everyone. But the EU could start by not publicly ramping up arguments with vaccine providers - and rather sort out disputes behind closed doors. This latest fiasco doesn’t do any good, whichever side of things anyone stands at the moment.

It doesn't actually take more than a few people rioting to end lockdowns though---once you have a certain amount of disturbance, a lot of other people will just start breaking LD rules because the police attention will be diverted elsewhere.

I'm in the Netherlands and that's not what is happening. There are a few rioters, yes, but the population is now also telling them to stop. Football supporters and local people are now stopping the rioters and there is more police stopping groups forming. It's quieter now

@Allispretty

pulling down the statue in Bristol

If you believe a statue should be pulled down, you go through the proper channels. You don't vandalise public or private property

@rorosemary

there is more police stopping groups forming. It's quieter now

That's reassuring

@GrannyRose15

Yet you are prepared to let others suffer to save you

And by the same token, why should I die so that others don't suffer?

There's no right or wrong answer here. Some are comfortable with the idea of being martyrs, others (rightly) want to be given a chance to live

@furonthecoat

A year ago people would've said criminalising leaving home and seeing family would be unlikely to happen

Err.. this is to control the spread of infection, remember?

I'm well aware thanks @trulydelicious

The point is another poster essentially said to me it'll never be the case that we have different rules for the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Well a year ago we never would've thought that they'd criminalise seeing family for months on end but now it's widely accepted 'to stop the spread'. So it's actually not that far a reach to think they might bring in different rules depending on vaccine status 'to stop the spread of infection aswell'.

Maybe look at the whole context of a posters arguments before jumping in to patronise them about one thing you've taken out of context

[quote trulydelicious]@GrannyRose15

Yet you are prepared to let others suffer to save you

And by the same token, why should I die so that others don't suffer?

There's no right or wrong answer here. Some are comfortable with the idea of being martyrs, others (rightly) want to be given a chance to live[/quote]
I am not asking you to die so that other don't suffer. I am asking you to take a risk so that others don't suffer. And a fairly small one at that.

lovelylittlepanda
I hope there aren't physical riots but I think the outrage of young adults (of which I'm not one) is entirely justified. It is beyond selfish to expect this much of young people. On behalf of my generation, I apologise.

Missed this when I was skimming through the thread last week.
I whole-heartedly agree.

slightly veering off the subject, i am so tired of jeremy vine telling us, all the time, as to how young people want and need to go out and enjoy themselves, its what young people do , jeremy, please stop it; we know that the young want to go out and enjoy themselves, we have all been young once , the lockdowns affect everyone and i mean everyone in different ways, so, jeremy, the next time you feel like telling us about the poor young ones , perhaps you should bite your tongue because , believe me, i feel sorry for everyone , young. old and inbetween, it does seem be mainly the young who are being so selfish,

But isn't it also selfish of you to expect young people to put their lives on hold to stop you getting ill? I don't know any young people who would deliberately want to hurt an old person but a whole year of restrictions is disproportionate to the risk. lockdown should end now so we can all live our lives.

i guess there will always be differing opinions and we are all entitled to our opinions but to say that we cant expect young ones to consider they`re older relatives and friends when they go out and about risking picking up the virus is not on, its all about being selfish or just taking precautions,

What it should be about is risk. We should be able to make an educated assessment of the risk we are taking both to ourselves and to others we care about. Unfortunately instead of being given sensible information that would help us make that decision we are being fed hysterical predictions and hyperbole.

It really is no wonder many people have stopped listening to government rules/advice.

sometimes all it takes is a little common sense