Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

@nicky7654

Most recent riots were the BLM ! And yes people are sick of it now, no work and losing their homes for a virus that has a 99% survival rate! The Government have lied from the beginning!

I don't remember BLM causing any riots? The only thing I seen was protests mostly peaceful apart from pulling down the statue in Bristol which should have happened years ago anyway IMO

Op oppressing people for this long is bound to cause some kind of riots/protests. I think it's only a matter of time before it happens here unless the government act quick with an actual action plan of getting us out of lockdown. People want to see facts not someone bumbling we may be able to do this and that. The government is pathetic

If there comes a moment where those who are vaccinated are allowed to do thing that those who aren't, and haven't been offered it yet (not the vaccine refuses) can't then I will be rioting without question.

I have already seen talk of it happening against the rules on other threads and it makes me furious. All these people who shared 'stay the fuck at home' and 'if it saves one life it's worth it' and who called me and my friends ' selfish fuckers' whilst the lockdown benefitted then suddenly changing their tune one it no longer does is the true epitome of 'selfish'. And if it comes into law or even 'guidance' (which is so often used as a stick to beat people with) then I will be out there. It makes me furious.

then I will be rioting without question.

You'll be breaking windows, attacking the police, damaging and/or setting fire to infrastructure, attacking anyone who tries to stop you from damaging their property, turning over tables in restaurants where people are eating peaceably etc etc?

Sure you will 🙄

@furonthecoat

If there comes a moment where those who are vaccinated are allowed to do thing that those who aren't, and haven't been offered it yet (not the vaccine refuses) can't then I will be rioting without question.

I have already seen talk of it happening against the rules on other threads and it makes me furious. All these people who shared 'stay the fuck at home' and 'if it saves one life it's worth it' and who called me and my friends ' selfish fuckers' whilst the lockdown benefitted then suddenly changing their tune one it no longer does is the true epitome of 'selfish'. And if it comes into law or even 'guidance' (which is so often used as a stick to beat people with) then I will be out there. It makes me furious.

With you on this

If the only people allowed to eat in those restaurants are the vaccinated, creating a two tier society of the 'have' and 'have nots' based purely on the government decisions of who is and isn't worth of the vaccine you bet I will be.

The moment you creates two tier society you can't be surprised if the lower tier rebel. It would be ageism plain and simple. I understand the vaccines being given out based on age as age is a massive indicator of severity. If however rights come along with that age then there rightly should be riots. And If the rioters are smart they'll target businesses who choose to participate in the ageism and smart and moral businesses will stay closed until everyone has the ability to use them.

Can you imagine the uproar if this was proposed the other way round, the young can go about their lives whilst the elderly are locked up by law. There'd be outrage. Yet once again in this pandemic it's fine to shit on the young, and then people wonder why were disenfranchised.

I didn't suggest he exposed lies about covid in the book - I said that was the point of the website

You're quite right - that bit was my mistake

@furonthecoat

No doubt at that point the media will be full of stories about another mutant foreign strain that "may" be more deadly or a drip feed about inefficacy of the vaccine in preventing transmission so those vaccinated "may" still pass it on

Just like the hotel quarantine debate follows the surge in SAGA holiday bookings, bet those bookings have tailed off

I hope there aren't physical riots but I think the outrage of young adults (of which I'm not one) is entirely justified. It is beyond selfish to expect this much of you. On behalf of my generation, I apologise.

Notice all the stories that have dropped in the media today about random young people who have died of COVID. Timing..

@BubblyBarbara

Notice all the stories that have dropped in the media today about random young people who have died of COVID. Timing..

Because they want people to keep themselves safe? And stop assuming it's only old, or disabled i.e. disposable people at risk?

@furonthecoat

If there comes a moment where those who are vaccinated are allowed to do thing that those who aren't, and haven't been offered it yet (not the vaccine refuses) can't then I will be rioting without question.

I have already seen talk of it happening against the rules on other threads and it makes me furious. All these people who shared 'stay the fuck at home' and 'if it saves one life it's worth it' and who called me and my friends ' selfish fuckers' whilst the lockdown benefitted then suddenly changing their tune one it no longer does is the true epitome of 'selfish'. And if it comes into law or even 'guidance' (which is so often used as a stick to beat people with) then I will be out there. It makes me furious.

Wow you're hard!

According to a certain people, CV19 is just a UK problem 😎😳😳

@EngTech

According to a certain people, CV19 is just a UK problem 😎😳😳

Turns out the Swedes didn't get it right either

On second thoughts - have asked for the above post to be removed having read the Samaritans guidance (aimed at journalists).

I do believe these things should be acknowledged and discussed (because they are so important) but can now see it needs to be done very very sensitively.

@furonthecoat you’re getting very wound up over something that’s theoretical. It’s one thing being angry at current restrictions but your literally looking for scenarios that aren’t real (or likely) to get angry over.

@Forgetmenot157

I'm not 'hard', I'm angry. I would say more than fairly. I'm not chomping at the bit for civil disobedience and riots. But I have my limit and if it's surpassed I and many others like me will have to do something about it.

@Cornettoninja

I'm angry at both. Yes I'm angry at current restrictions. But there's plenty of talk on Mumsnet of people going to see their parents as soon as they're vaccinated or saying why shouldn't the vaccinated get their lives back. As someone who's job, career prospects, and supposedly 'best years of my life' have all been given up to covid I think I have every right to be angry about the idea of a two tier system in which the ones who we've all been making 'sacrifices' for get their lives back whilst the rest of us who had minimal risk in the first place continue to 'sacrifice'. As someone right at the bottom of the vaccine pile the prospect of being the last unvaccinated is very real for me and people I know so we're considering our options should stupid legislation come in which divides the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

[quote furonthecoat]@Forgetmenot157

I'm not 'hard', I'm angry. I would say more than fairly. I'm not chomping at the bit for civil disobedience and riots. But I have my limit and if it's surpassed I and many others like me will have to do something about it.

@Cornettoninja

I'm angry at both. Yes I'm angry at current restrictions. But there's plenty of talk on Mumsnet of people going to see their parents as soon as they're vaccinated or saying why shouldn't the vaccinated get their lives back. As someone who's job, career prospects, and supposedly 'best years of my life' have all been given up to covid I think I have every right to be angry about the idea of a two tier system in which the ones who we've all been making 'sacrifices' for get their lives back whilst the rest of us who had minimal risk in the first place continue to 'sacrifice'. As someone right at the bottom of the vaccine pile the prospect of being the last unvaccinated is very real for me and people I know so we're considering our options should stupid legislation come in which divides the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
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There are many many things in the world I am angry at with good reason....

Plastic polluting the ocean for example.. I'm not going to riot about it tho.

@Forgetmenot157

Does plastic in the ocean eradicate your civil rights based on not having something that you haven't been allowed to have yet? Whilst simultaneously returning the rights to the people for whom the rights were curtailed to protect in the first place?

No. Not really comparable is it

@furonthecoat but this ‘two tier’ society doesn’t actually exist does it and it’s unlikely to. Your assertion that you will be losing ‘years and years’ is also unlikely.

Honestly, take a break from the covid/economic news and chat. It’s not going anywhere and you’re clearly only upsetting yourself. Stop spiralling. I’m genuinely not being patronising, I have to ban myself for periods because you will absolutely drive yourself insane drowning everything out but the pandemic.

@Cornettoninja

Thanks for being so condescending I'm well aware it doesn't exist. But there is a possibility and it's one I and my friends are prepared for our response to.

A year ago people would've said criminalising leaving home and seeing family would be unlikely to happen but we all know how that went. So I think theorising about and preparing for possibilities is only sensible at this point.

Also where did I say 'years and years'? It's misleading to quote something not actually said. But I am losing valuable time in what's meant to be the best years of my life. Lockdown isn't a pause button. That time is still lost. Not to mention my job and career prospects too. It's not 'upsetting' myself to be aware of injustices that are happening or could potentially happen soon. It's being aware of the current situation.

Well if you can’t take a comment in the spirit it was intended crack on with enjoying wallowing in your doom mongering scenarios.

@Someonetookmyname

To all of the posters virtue signalling about saving the elderly, let me ask you this:

Would you be prepared to give your life savings, house and job up to protect the NHS?

No? Well this is what some people are being forced to do.

I love my elderly parents too. And don’t want to lose them. But it’s fucking selfish to expect others to sacrifice their entire life savings and children’s future to protect against the very very small risk of their death.

I agree.