Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

You'll find that pcrs test have been proven to give too many false positives is real and not a conspiracy theory. Its backed up and has been reported in mainstream media. And please do not insult me by saying I've been indoctrinated, I could say the same about you. You can believe what you want to believe but I would never insult you and your intelligence.

Re WEF and The Great Reset you can read about the plans on the WEF website, it there for all to see and read.

@Homegirl1

We also need to remember that the data is not trustworthy, the PCR test is flawed and is proven to given false positives. Many people who have died of other causes have been registered as dying 'with' covid.

'People who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test', that's the line being used so they could have been run over by a bus, died of heart attack but covid is put as the cause. The positive test could have been a false positive in the first place or the person could have been a symptomatic. No wonder we have the highest death rate in the world, The data is wrong in first the place. And please research how DNR's were placed on many older people in hospitals and care homes without consultations/permission from family members, its scandalous. Age UK have been campaigning about this since last year...

These are proven lies re PCR and death numbers.

Try www.covidfaq.co/
for debunking and links to the facts

PCR is definitely a hot potato

I could just as easily show you this from the BMJ

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941

It seems that testing asymptomatic people does yield a high level of false positives.

[quote Someonetookmyname]@orientalknife - well said.

@trulydelicious

no one is being 'sacrificed' (except those who actually die because of the recklessness of others

But people are being sacrificed for lockdown. People are killing themselves. People are being made homeless and losing life savings. Children are going hungry. Illnesses are being missed while gps lockdown surgeries.

You personally may only be sacrificing a bit of socialising on the weekend. Others are literally sacrificing everything.

Would you be prepared to give up your home and life savings for lockdown like others have?

Would you be prepared to watch your children slink into a depression?

If you lost someone you loved due to suicide, would you still think lockdown is worth it?[/quote]
The data - not the anecdotes - is not showing a surge in suicide right now.

But do you know what take does cause a surge in suicide? To the point where there are very specific guidelines about reporting suicide?

Talking about suicides and suicide attempts. Saying that lots of people are attempting suicide. THIS leads to increased suicide attempts.

So watch yourself please.

@hamstersarse

PCR is definitely a hot potato

I could just as easily show you this from the BMJ

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4941

It seems that testing asymptomatic people does yield a high level of false positives.

That's not talking about PCR testing. Are you being deliberately misleading? Expecting people to not open the link and just take your word for it? Classic misinformation technique.

I was looking at who or what is behind the "covidfaq" thing, so chose Stuart Ritchie from their list and discover that he authored this: www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Fictions-Epidemic-Fraud-Negligence/dp/1847925650?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

In fairness he's just one of the group - though also the first name they choose to give - but at a time when we're assured the science is all-important it seems perhaps a little ironic

@Homegirl1

You seem to be jumping from one topic to another. I find it confusing

WEF and The Great Reset you can read about the plans on the WEF website, it there for all to see and read

I've read the information. What I'm asking is your opinion on who you think is ultimately behind these plans

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I was looking at who or what is behind the "covidfaq" thing, so chose Stuart Ritchie from their list and discover that he authored this: ]]

In fairness he's just one of the group - though also the first name they choose to give - but at a time when we're assured the science is all-important it seems perhaps a little ironic

So he's literally written a book on exposing bad science, is working on a site that debunks the bad science and outright lies circulating about covid, and you think this is a problem because...?

This from The Lancet

www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30453-7/fulltext

"To summarise, false-positive COVID-19 swab test results might be increasingly likely in the current epidemiological climate in the UK, with substantial consequences at the personal, health system, and societal levels (panel).'

Do at least try to remain objective, DameFanny - I didn't say it was "a problem", but that it may be ironic

As far as I can make out the book isn't even about "the outright lies circulating about Covid", but about issues which can arise around bias, motivation, funding and the rest, all of which have been raised numerous times by those of us interested in the fuller picture

Anyway I'm off to order the full version ... given he also co-founded the much vaunted covidfaq site I'm sure you'll approve, and maybe it'll be less crowded with edits and corrections than the site is

Well yes, that was my point - he's written about bad science and the covid faq website counters bad science.

How is that not objective?

How is that not objective?

I'll leave you to work that one out for yourself

"To summarise, false-positive COVID-19 swab test results might be increasingly likely in the current epidemiological climate in the UK, with substantial consequences at the personal, health system, and societal levels (panel).'"

That's a might

And of course www.covidfaq.co/Claim-91-of-Covid-cases-are-false-positives-This-is-a-Casedemic-f684cf93e4344b918ce295c5218da798 counters why it's not a 'casedemic' -
"Symptoms are an indication that someone has the virus; therefore, if there are many false-positives, we would expect to see more false-positives occurring among those not reporting symptoms. If that were the case, then risk factors such as working in health care would be more strongly associated with symptomatic infections than with asymptomatic infections. However, in our data the risk factors for testing positive are equally strong for both symptomatic and asymptomatic infections."

And of course "Cases lead to hospitalisations and deaths. After case numbers rose in the UK's second wave, we saw later rises in hospitalisations and deaths. These latter numbers can't just be due to problems with the test - it's hard to get a false-positive on whether someone has died or not. In other words, the later consequences of rising case numbers are precisely what we'd expect if the cases are mostly real coronavirus infections"

@Puzzledandpissedoff

How is that not objective?

I'll leave you to work that one out for yourself

I can only conclude that you're operating from a false-logic position that as the covid faq site goes against your own beliefs, therefore it must be ironic for one of its contributors to have written about bad science, because facts you disagree with are bad science? Am I close?

Am I close?

Not even remotely I'm afraid, because for me it's not so much about beliefs as questions

Obviously beliefs do come into it with views around public freedoms, the cost/benefit thing and so on, but overall - and as said - it's more about questioning what's put before us rather than being too quick to swallow it wholesale

And questioning is the point of his book (which must have been written before covid to be published in the middle of last year. Ditto Ben Goldman's Bad Science, written a few years ago.

I really don't think you're making the point you think you're making you know.

Unless you think answering bad questions that have already been answered but this time in a way that makes you happy is the point?

I really don't think you're making the point you think you're making you know

Maybe - or perhaps, like any number of points made on here, it's just so unwelcome to some that they prefer not to see it

You're right about when the book was written though, which is why I was surprised that you suggesteded that in it he'd "exposed ... lies about Covid"

I didn't suggest he exposed lies about covid in the book - I said that was the point of the website. Are you not reading my actual words?

orientalknife Wed 27-Jan-21 07:49:57

Well said.

www.samaritans.org/about-samaritans/media-guidelines/

Just encouraging responsible discussion, no emotional blackmail here

Per this

Most recent riots were the BLM ! And yes people are sick of it now, no work and losing their homes for a virus that has a 99% survival rate! The Government have lied from the beginning!

@nicky7654

Most recent riots were the BLM ! And yes people are sick of it now, no work and losing their homes for a virus that has a 99% survival rate! The Government have lied from the beginning!

What riots did BLM cause? Got a story link?