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Riots against lockdown in Europe

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Downriver · 25/01/2021 09:27

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

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Namechanged1122 · 26/01/2021 18:16

I think @caspersmagicaljourney is probably right. Look at how people swarmed onto beaches last summer, leaving a huge mess behind them.
In the UK, people riot in the summer. I wouldn't blame them if they did. We need a plan to get us out of this.

sirfredfredgeorge · 26/01/2021 18:18

The problem has always been that the lockdowns have been too half-hearted and so have dragged on and on and on

There are countries where lockdowns have been near complete, with curfews and no time outdoors at all, just how much less "half-hearted" do you imagine these countries could have done?

The repeated statement that lockdowns are half hearted and there's some "more lockdown" would have achieved more has no evidence behind it at all, strictness of lockdown has no correlation with cases across Europe at all.

Forced isolation has perhaps had a large impact in certain areas of China, but that isn't lockdown.

I would SO much prefer one month of full lockdown for everyone apart from the most essential workers - with a basic income given to everyone - to stop this thing spreading and let it die out

But such a thing would not cause it to die out, it would drive it very low, but it would soon return, it's endemic and likely in many wild animal populations too, And the health effects on everyone would be disastrous, everyone old would never get their fitness back and be at a higher risk of death than if they'd got covid, and a much higher risk if they subsequently caught covid or flu, or indeed anything else.

Lockdowns are disastrous for health, exercising, which for the majority of people requires outdoors unless you're going to deliver everyone a treadmill, can mitigate much of the harm, particularly if you eat less too, deny the exercise and they are just disastrous.

MarshaBradyo · 26/01/2021 18:19

Sir you’re right. I keep seeing posts like the one you are responding to. Well done on going through it

Wildswim · 26/01/2021 18:23

BBC reporting Dutch riots as 'scum' riots tonight.

The bias and propaganda from our State Broadcaster is so tiring.

duffeldaisy · 26/01/2021 18:37

"such a thing would not cause it to die out, it would drive it very low, but it would soon return"

Not with good test and trace. Not if the numbers go low enough.
It's a virus. It wants to spread. That's its one goal. If we don't give it the chance to spread then it dies out.

What countries are these that had really tough lockdowns that aren't now in either a zero or very low covid situation now?
I have family and friends in other countries where life is pretty close to normal in many cities and towns, and they are horrified by what's going on here and the US.

HeronLanyon · 26/01/2021 18:43

wildswim what did bbc say ? Did a newsreader use those words (I’d be absolutely astonished if this was a ‘bbc’ word) or did someone being interviewed describe them as ‘scum’ ?

CaraDuneRedux · 26/01/2021 18:46

@HeronLanyon

wildswim what did bbc say ? Did a newsreader use those words (I’d be absolutely astonished if this was a ‘bbc’ word) or did someone being interviewed describe them as ‘scum’ ?
No, the BBC quoted the Dutch finance minister as describing the rioters as "Scum" and quotation marks were very clearly used.

There is definitely some bias going on here, but I don't think it's the BBC's. Hmm

HeronLanyon · 26/01/2021 18:47

Just checked. Bbc quoting the Finance Minister - Hoekstra who used that word. Legitimate news story and attributed quite from member of government. So it’s not the BBC.
Thought not !

HeronLanyon · 26/01/2021 18:48

cara snap. His name took some spelling for my U.K. keyboard.

CaraDuneRedux · 26/01/2021 18:50

Cross post, Heron.

bemusedmoose · 26/01/2021 18:54

it will happen here because you cant teach stupid.

Seriously - burning down a test centre.... a negative test allows you to go back to work and leave isolation - what sense is there in burning it down!?

The sort of people that do this stuff are the ones that jump on any chance to riot. Look at the riots we've had in the UK lately - most people rioting were just jumping on the band wagon, the damage and looting that goes with it is carried out by thugs seizing the opportunity to cause trouble.

It only takes 1 person to start and then everyone piles in like sheep. Which will of course send infection rates flying sky high again.

But you never see British riots in the winter - too blooming wet! These arent hardcore rioters, merely fair weather ones so late spring i they might kick off.

HibernatingTill2030 · 26/01/2021 18:56

@TheQueef

It's too cold for any civil disobedience in the UK. We only like sunny riots.
Ha! Came here to say this. One of my family members is in the police and they dread heatwaves because thats when things kick off, generally
Wildswim · 26/01/2021 19:04

Yes, of course 'scum' is a quote - but the BBC chose to put it in the headline on their news website.

HeronLanyon · 26/01/2021 19:10

wild if that is your complaint that’s what you should have said. poor editorial decision to report the use of that word by that minister.

Think your post was wildly (!) misleading there. Looked as though you thought it was the bbc who were describing it that way !

Wildswim · 26/01/2021 19:13

Sorry for the misleading post. What I meant was, it's a biased headline. Yes 'scum' is a quote (from a Dutch establishment figure), but it's been selected by the Beeb to include in their headline and therefore subtly discredit the riots.

The endless propaganda and 'right think' pumped out all the time by the MSM is really such a reckless approach as it means people will eventually lose any faith or trust in mainstream media. So they start to disbelieve it and turn to other sources of information.

HeronLanyon · 26/01/2021 19:19

See what you are saying even though I disagree. Suspect we may be coming from differing angles. I got sick and tired of bbc editorial decisions during brexit and sap about Laura K’s reporting. Sometimes attempt to be balanced has led to anodyne stories with no voice or strength.
Watch sky news despite having spent a long time refusing ‘to line murdochs pockets’. They’ve recently been bolder more radical carry some remarkable stories with fearless reporting.

Gilly12345 · 26/01/2021 19:30

We are all fed up of this lockdown but the answer really isn’t violence against the people trying to issue the vaccinations, I really can’t believe the mentality of some people, this isn’t easy for anyone with job losses, home schooling but staying in to save your life is the only option.

trulydelicious · 26/01/2021 19:53

@salsamummy

Hopefully it wouldn't happen here in the middle of winter

Why are you posting this here? Are you trying to gain adepts? Despicable. I hope your fellow rioters have deep pockets to pay the fines. We need the money

JustAnotherOldMan · 26/01/2021 19:58

Looks like a virtual riot is about to kick off on this forum
I used to work in the U.K. for Dutch company and spent a lot of time in Holland and really Liked the country, the mainline Trains are excellent abd spent a lot of time in Utrecht & Amsterdam and never had any issues, but probably as I was in the business districts and not the inner cities

Homegirl1 · 26/01/2021 19:58

There is disturbing video going round on twitter of a stazi type police man (scarily looks like a storm trooper) in the Netherlands beating a young boy with his baton who is sitting on the ground, completely unprovoked. I've seen too many videos like this now...

There are demonstration all over Europe, France, Germany, Serbia. Not being reported on mainstream news at all, if they are they call them far right which they are not. They dont want us to know in case we get any ideas...

Homegirl1 · 26/01/2021 19:59

Its becoming like the bloody Hunger Games!

Homegirl1 · 26/01/2021 20:01

@Wildswim

BBC reporting Dutch riots as 'scum' riots tonight.

The bias and propaganda from our State Broadcaster is so tiring.

Absolutely right.
salsamummy · 26/01/2021 20:04

gosh no. I am really shocked at what is been shared on the internet. I will get it removed.

trulydelicious · 26/01/2021 20:07

@Homegirl1

I've seen too many videos like this now

There's a reason you've seen so many. Orchestrated propaganda. Rings a bell?

trulydelicious · 26/01/2021 20:09

@salsamummy

Yes, please, I would remove it.

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