Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

@LunaHeather Oh goodness. I'd give you a hug, too. Thank you.

@Bluemoon94

Honestly I think we should

No soft play
No pubs
No schools
No shops
No family

Wear a mask
Be controlled by what we say
No money
Higher tax
More country debt

Like come on people wake up ? A whole generation of pub workers and theatre people lost because of the government

Again. What's your plan? Other than "I think we should". It's not just the government causing this. The virus doesn't help either.

What you really need is a reality check rather than delusions of grandeur way above your intellect level.

What you really need is a reality check rather than delusions of grandeur way above your intellect level.

Comments like that do make me laugh.

@Confuzzlediddled

I just love another day of hearing how worthless my life is as CEV. Despite the fact that I have children, work full time, volunteer, generally feel like I contribute to society yet because I have an inherited illness then I'm apparently weeks from death and should just roll over and die...

Hopefully you’ll get vaccine soon

This whole year has been weighted towards the vulnerable. You are not forgotten

@PickAChew

What? I thought that brits were uniquely non-compliant? Teach me to believe everything I read on mumsnet

@KayakingOnDown

*If you’d told me that people would have quietly accepted the destruction of their businesses, their employers, the economy, their children’s education, and would tolerate the government telling them who they may have in their houses and where they they may travel and whether or not they can hug their mothers, I’d have declared you insane.

With the news that schools won’t go back before Easter, it’s time for some that outrage here*

This.

Yes I totally agree.

@hamstersarse

A more serious issue to my mind is that since last June peaceful protest in the UK has been illegal. This is concerning in any supposed democracy no matter what the reasons it was imposed. Despotic systems always start on the pretext that 'it's for your own good'.

People in general seem totally oblivious to this point.

Ironically it demonstrates the absolute necessity for education. In this case, for history education.

People explain this erosion of civil liberties as essential cos of Covid, like we are prepared to compromise everything we have ever fought for (yes, we have fought for it) as fair game when it comes to covid. I see absolutely no argument that is valid to be removing the right to peaceful protest. We do not have a democracy if we do not have that right. And that is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the erosion of civil liberties we have experienced over the last year - and a refusal to guarantee they will be returned

Thank you for saying this. I'm a history teacher and I've been saying it for months. No one, especially on Mumsnet, seems to care! Let's just wipe our all our democratic rights.... Because of Covid.

@MamaMary absolutely. Germany has comparable restrictions to us, their schools are also closed, but they have not removed wholesale the right to protest. They do can some demos on safety grounds, but the right to peaceful protest (Versammlumgsrecht) is in the constitution, and for obvious reasons Germans do care about that stuff. Maybe we should care too. Governments are not de facto benevolent. Not that I would protest, it's the principle.

To be fair the government is not destroying their businesses or policing who can visit or hug them just for shits and giggles. There are something like 30 odd thousand people in hospital with covid - clearly that tells you something .
Businesses undoubtedly will given financial support to regenerate post covid, for some people the damage will already be done.

@MamaMary

It is rather ironic when people say “remember what people had to go through for the WW2”

When WW2 was literally about retaining freedom and democracy itself.

I feel like people are far more fed up than last year so yes, with the right circumstances I could see it happening here. It's a virus that mostly kills over 80s and yet we have all been held hostage for the best part of a year, jobs lost, health appointments cancelled, opportunities lost, mental health crushed. Yes, I know it's not just about who dies, but also who ends up in ITU but it's a hell of a alot to give up for those who probably wont even end up that ill .

KayakingOnDown
*If you’d told me that people would have quietly accepted the destruction of their businesses, their employers, the economy, their children’s education, and would tolerate the government telling them who they may have in their houses and where they they may travel and whether or not they can hug their mothers, I’d have declared you insane.

With the news that schools won’t go back before Easter, it’s time for some that outrage here*

It's the boiled frog syndrome- for example we are told schools will be off until February half term, a few weeks in then leaks are floated suggesting it might be until Easter, Govnt says not their plan etc, then a well or two later another leak Govnt says doing all they can but cannot rule out Easter.

A week before schools are due to go back (or more recently the day after they went back) Govnt announces its extended until Easter then repeat the above process.

I truly believe that with hindsight if we knew in March 2020 how long the restrictions would be in place, the financial cost and damage to young people then there would have been much less support for the restrictions.

@MamaMary

No one, especially on Mumsnet, seems to care! Let's just wipe our all our democratic rights

Why do people keep going about this. They are temporary measures to control infection

@jasjas1973

Same friend’s husband and another acquaintance have claimed £10,000 each and still continue to work at full throttle (builders). It’s an absolute joke and the amount of fraud going on will be horrendous

thats because they had a business rated property, usually storage or a workshop... we know loads of trades and many got this for having a container or a small workshop, whilst never been busier, due to our lockdowns which aren't really.

However the real scandal was 2nd home owners who registered their cornish property as a business, never actually rented it (done to avoid council tax) and then found they could claim and got 10k..... of course those renting as business also got it.

Money for nothing really but if you r a MW earner and have CV, don't get the app, don't get a test, keep going to work because if you do the right thing, you'll get SFA.

"In information he received from Cornwall Council the Penzance East councillor said that by June 9 the council had paid out £177m in £10,000 grants to businesses.

Of that just under £71m went to "holiday let business premises" - and Cllr Olivier said that £42m of that went to people living outside of Cornwall.

Source:
www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/holiday-home-owners-claimed-71-4254607.amp

@MiniTheMinx

I'm an autonomist marxist not a bloody Bolshevik or card carrying communist party member. I'm not authoritarian on any score

Yes, people in the past may have felt like you do. That they could choose how they would like it, that they would have control, all rosy idealistic stuff.

But the reality can quickly take over and things take a downward turn you will not enjoy. It has happened and it can happen again, for sure

being pro-lockdown or wanting tighter restrictions is such a huge clash of values for me. They don't care about the damage to their children or parents. It's astonishing.

I feel the same way. My own sister is very pro-lockdown/pro-tight restrictions and she has two young children. I don't get it. She does live in an area that is very liberal/left-wing which tends to collate with high levels of compliance.

However the real scandal was 2nd home owners who registered their cornish property as a business, never actually rented it (done to avoid council tax) and then found they could claim and got 10k..... of course those renting as business also got it.

I'm surprised about that, 1dayatatime. I got the 10K grant for my holiday chalet (elsewhere in the UK) and had to send proof of bookings and income to the local gov dept organising it. Didn't they check in Cornwall?

Research has consistently shown that compliance in the UK is still very high, with the majority supporting the measures and calling for tighter ones. Most people understand exactly why they are needed.

Yes, the self employed grant thing is a joke. My BIL is a self employed builder and never bee so busy. Hes claimed £20k in grants this year and insisting on cash for a big job hes doing at the moment. Hes an unbearable smig git at the best of times , but hes loving it . It's more than I earn I'm a year.

@JulieJJ

Yes, the self employed grant thing is a joke. My BIL is a self employed builder and never bee so busy. Hes claimed £20k in grants this year and insisting on cash for a big job hes doing at the moment. Hes an unbearable smig git at the best of times , but hes loving it . It's more than I earn I'm a year.

Idiot People paying him should say no to cash

I'd love to see him caught out. Hes so smug.

Why do people keep going about this. They are temporary measures to control infection

Don't be naive. Don't be complacent.

They've been temporary for a very long time. And there's no end point in sight.

Learn from history. These things always start. as a temporary measure in response to a national emergency. But sometimes temporary becomes permanent.

@DenisetheMenace

Research has consistently shown that compliance in the UK is still very high, with the majority supporting the measures and calling for tighter ones. Most people understand exactly why they are needed.

I don’t know where they pulled that information from, because you just have to look about on the streets etc... you’d never know there was a lockdown.,

Totally agree with this statement from a previous poster

"Young people are being locked away for what we're always told is 'the best years of our lives'
We're the majority of people employed in industries that have been massively affected and shut down by COVID (bars
We've been largely ignored by the government except when they want to vilify and blame us
Uni students are paying the same amount for massively reduced teaching, restricted access to resources and no 'uni experience' (clubs, societies, ect) that we were promised
Students are paying massive amounts of rent for accomodation they can't use with not even a mention of rebates by the government
Young people are aware that we're the ones who are going to pay for this in the long run whilst simultaneously seeing our futures decimated as there are no jobs
We're being locked away to protect an NHS that realistically many of us think won't be there by the time we'll really need its services
We're staying home to (mostly) protect the elderly whom are comfortable in their big houses with their pensions whilst we have no hopes of ever getting on the housing ladder and will never realistically get a pension.

Young people feel like we're giving up tons of things for other people. And then when we dare complain about what we've had to give up were told by people like you that we have it so easy with not having to home school and to put up and shut up - essentially diminishing our struggles.

We've all been asked to sacrifice during this time. But not everyone's sacrifices are as great as others. And for many the sacrifices is not proportional to the gain."

@TableFlowerss

you just have to look about on the streets etc... you’d never know there was a lockdown

Compliance is high where I am (with the expected blips, obviously)