Riots against lockdown in Europe

[Downriver]

The scenes of young people burning down a COVID testing facility in the Netherlands and burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest against lockdown have really shaken me. Would it happen here? Who is organising this? Fascists? Sometimes I read comments against lockdown on here and I think such a mood is being primed.

@trulydelicious give it a rest, if you don’t actually know what the political Left stand for by now you never will.

The Daily Mail has released a new article slagging off young people, you need to hurry to beat the rush to the comment section.

*Communism in theory is set at the midpoint of the personal freedom scale, rather.
Communism in practice is practically zilch.

@LunaHeather thing is what you deem as being reasonable and sensible in all those thousands of steps ( thousands ? really ? ) other people will disagree with.
I just wondered what reasonable and sensible measures people who were anti-lockdown were in favour of, if any ?

@Lunaheather

One of the hardest things for me is finding I have one anti lockdown friend. One.

I never thought I would amend friendships for politics but being pro-lockdown or wanting tighter restrictions is such a huge clash of values for me. They don't care about the damage to their children or parents. It's astonishing.

Yup. I've got through both the vitriol of the Scottish independence referendum and Brexit staying friends with everyone and wondering at the people who've fallen out over it.

But to me, lockdown = people abusing their children due to poor risk assessment and peer pressure.
Not OK.

I've ditched all my friends. Not sorry about it in the slightest.

What? I thought that brits were uniquely non-compliant? Teach me to believe everything I read on mumsnet

frump It is not complete iron lockdown or nothing. There are shades of freedom in between that could easily be allowed relatively safely. Outside sports and meeting friends outside only etc.

22,000 today folks! So it is great news! This time next week we might be looking at maybe something as low as 5000-6000 infection rate. So we are really getting there!!!

@MiniTheMinx

What would you rather.....keep your house on a mortgage, or let your neighbours elderly parent keep their life? would it not be great if we could achieve both

Except in the lovely regime you seem to be so fond of you wouldn't use the words 'your house', because 'the house' would belong to the State. The elderly parents would not keep their life either as the nation would be too empoverished to provide effective medical care.

Come on! This was trialled 100 years ago, and didn't work. What are you going on about? Are you ok?

Hope so but as soon as one thing is achieved they find another reason to strip more freedoms away. We need to remove all mandatory CV19 legislation and let people make their own choices.

@formerbabe

I'm surprised there isn't more of this and that people are so compliant to be honest

So am I. Not just surprised though, horrified. It's about time we took back control of our lives. I don't condone violence but the government has got to see that it is the inevitable consequence of their undemocratic restrictions. They can still pull us back from the brink but only if all covid restrictions are lifted now and we can get on with our lives. Time is running out.

This message is slowly being replaced with something else entirely, and your mental health, your kids health, education, businesses, livelihoods, mortgages and life itself is all irrelevant

Dont worry. According to the latest edition of Private Eye the new workfare will save the day.

Care to enlighten us about 'workfare' mercy I am all ears for this salvation!

I’m starting to wonder about the cost benefit ratio now. I just don’t care anymore when they wheel out another tearful ICU nurse. My kids have had 2 terms of school in a year. My youngest is struggling with his MH and has considered self harming. I can’t get on the train and see my vulnerable and lonely brother , etc etc. I also think we need a wider discussion about obesity and how or very high rates have undoubtedly contributed to our horrific death rates

@whataboutbob

twitter.com/fleetstreetfox/status/1353745697779154946?s=20

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Japan has the oldest population in the world, and 13 hospital beds per 1,000 people.

The Cook Islands, with the fattest population, has 9.7.

The UK, which is getting older and fatter all the time, has just 2.5.

It's no wonder the minister ran away.

@DParse

And what about all the teachers and lecturers who are of all ages and could be in the vunerable groups ? They were saying it was madness children were at school? It looked like Boris was the only one who was desperate to keep schools open and then looked stupid after the pressure to close became too much .

@GrannyRose15

the government has got to see that it is the inevitable consequence of their undemocratic restrictions

The restrictions are in place because we are going through a pandemic due to a virus. The virus is not democratic, no

[quote tinselearedcow]I am not sure if I am wasting my time posting this but I will anyway. Have a look at the IFR by age and how from 35+ it begins to rise steeply.

Age group (years) Infection Fatality Rate
0-34 0.004%
35-44 0.068%
45-54 0.23%
55-64 0.75%
65-74 2.5%
75-84 8.5%
85+ 28.3%

Yes, the risk still looks small until you get to 65+ , but to me it seems clear that if we gave the virus free rein and millions are infected many, many more people of all ages would get ill enough to be in hospital. Many of them would go on to die. Other non-covid patients would also die because they wouldn't be able to get the life saving treatment they need.

This is not about the young vs the old, this is about all of us, IMHO.

Source for table: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1/tables/3[/quote]
The risk at 35-44 is still lower than flu, though.

Covid mostly kills the elderly and those with metabolic problems - if you're 55-64 and in good health your chance of dying will be much lower. It's just that 2/3rds of 55-64 year old will be obese, which is where a lot of the problems lie.
We've known who is at risk for a long time.
The sensible plan would have been to furlough/wfh the at-risk groups along with those who live/care for them, keep social distancing in essential shops, and offer safe socialisation opportunities to those groups, whilst letting everyone else live freely and help make sure that there's a country worth coming back to.
True, the numbers involved could well mean that we end up with 3/4 of the country in voluntary lockdown, but I don't see how that would be worse than what we're doing.

@carlaCox

burning the Danish PM at a stake in protest

Probably should clarify you mean burning a picture of the Danish PM at the stake! I read this and thought "what?!?!".

Flipping heck my heart skipped several beats! Thought we'd regressed several centuries!

Bugger this. Wheres my zombie microchip? I wont be eighty for donkeys years. Why are these valuable microchips being wasted on over 80s? Are you sure about the chips, conspiracy fans? Couldn't old Bill Gates just hypnotise us through his tech? You know, like the Twitter and FB guys have done with the political systems of the West. Look at the state of us, this thread being a prime example.

@Temptashun

Yes that’s the drug
No I asked her why all other governments were not using it . Not just the uk .

Up to recently against covid it had only been tested in laboratory conditions . But there are uk human trials going on in Liverpool I believe. So it’s not true it’s being ignored at all .,

The trial results are due out soon .

It’s too easy to spread inaccurate rumours and there is lots of research going on into lots of drugs and tests .

@MarshaBradyo

What I genuinely find fascinating is that parents are prepared to let this happen to their children without a fight, asking for schools and children's lives to be shut down

I know it’s baffling. Always parents put dc first except for this. I find it so odd

hear hear

No I asked her why all other governments were not using it

There are other governments using it.

trulydelicious, WTF are you going on about.
I'm an autonomist marxist not a bloody Bolshevik or card carrying communist party member. I'm not authoritarian on any score.

House......err no I don't think the state should own your house. I am not a state socialist. State socialism = state ownership of the means of production and property. Communism = workers ownership.

As for my discrimination against fascist fuckwits, yeah I discriminate. You are free to report that to MN

[quote trulydelicious]**@Temptashun* and @Seasaltyhair*

We are now divided by authoritarian and libertarian

Don't be fooled. The Left are very much alive and kicking just sometimes in disguise (like on this thread)[/quote]
And so are the right, apparently.

Anyone else get an “all criticism is treason” vibe from this poster?

Tis is from the link I posted:

^A doubly disrupted generation of
youth is emerging in an age of lost
opportunity^

While the digital leap forward unlocked opportunities for some youth, many are now entering the workforce in an employment ice age.
Young adults worldwide are experiencing their second major global crisis in a
decade. Already exposed to environmental degradation, the consequences of the financial crisis, rising inequality,
and disruption from industrial transformation, this generation faces serious challenges to their education,
economic prospects and mental health.

Collateral health impacts—physical and
mental—will continue to have devastating
consequences worldwide: in the United
States, for example, delayed treatment
of emergencies, chronic diseases and
psychological distress have already
caused a death rate of 6% over what
would normally be expected.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_The_Global_Risks_Report_2021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwipmZD33LfuAhXzQEEAHQ8ICUUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1B97qHtkX3cTtmSSxQaE25" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_The_Global_Risks_Report_2021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwipmZD33LfuAhXzQEEAHQ8ICUUQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1B97qHtkX3cTtmSSxQaE25

@feelingquitehopeful I don't feel it is a complete iron lockdown, I guess I am lucky because I can leave the house to exercise ( I am not doing this, so if someone else wants my turns they are welcome to them ) , to go to the shop, and have to leave the house to work, so I can get out a bit. It is certainly worse than Autumn which felt vaguely normalish, the weather doesn't help either does it ?