6.3 million people vaccinated already - brilliant!

[buttery81]

This is a continuation of the previous thread, www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4129412-1-5-million-people-vaccinated-already-brilliant

6,353,321 people in the UK have now received their first dose of the vaccine - that’s 1 in every 8.3 adults. It’s a truly remarkable achievement to have reached so many people in such a short space of time.

Welcome to the new thread and let’s keep the positive vibes going!

We are doing incredibly well with vaccinations, as are Israel and UAE. I understand Israel are part of an @extended trial” with Pfizer, but not sure why UAE are so high on the graph?

Uae are using three vaccines one from China, one from Russia and Pfizer.

Population is small.. Circa 10m.

UAE also have a similar benefit to Israel in that their geographical area is small and they have about 1 million more people than London, which makes vaccine rollout easier logistically and percentage of population vaccinated will be higher with fewer vaccinations than somewhere with a larger area or population such as the US

Israel and UAE have very small populations. So actually have vaccinated less people than us but a higher proportion of the population.

Whereas USA have vaccinated more people than any other country but less percentage of their massive population

Once we have vaccinated the first 4 priority groups will have done the people that account for 88% of covid deaths

That is mind blowing 😯 What a difference we should see once the immunity builds up

Groups 5 to 9 are done account for 11% of covid deaths

Obviously we won't have 100% up take but the difference should still be massive in the figures

The price each nation was willing to pay may be a factor - reportedly, Israel agreed a high price, maybe UAE did too?

Israel negotiated hard. Yes paid a high price but also volunteered itself to be massive real world research. Sharing data straight back to Pfizer. Having such a small 9 million population it is perfectly for this.

I have no idea the UAE situation and how they got hold of the vaccine so quickly

@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

Israel negotiated hard. Yes paid a high price but also volunteered itself to be massive real world research. Sharing data straight back to Pfizer. Having such a small 9 million population it is perfectly for this.

I have no idea the UAE situation and how they got hold of the vaccine so quickly

Yes, a win-win. That data should help everyone.

@Motorina

I've been looking back a couple of weeks on ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Two weeks ago around 6% of the UK population had been vaccinated. That means now, today, that 6% are very substantially protected against covid. 6% safe! And more every day!

Take that, covid. Bam! Bam! Bam!

Scaling for mortality risk, I think (if I've done my maths right, and if it's all working as we hope) this equates to approximately a 25% reduction in deaths among people catching covid now, compared to if we didn't have a vaccine. And of course that percentage is growing every day.

We are doing a fantastic job with vaccines and it’s great to see all nursing homes for older people have been offered the vaccine (albeit a small number who have covid outbreaks). Not taking anything away from this fantastic work but One thing I don’t like is the wording: that the top priority groups will be vaccinated by mid Feb. The top priority groups will have had half a vaccination by then and not fully vaccinated until April. I think this is important to realise and take note of due to people thinking by mid Feb the vulnerable/elderly are protected let’s get on with our lives.

@CKBJ

We are doing a fantastic job with vaccines and it’s great to see all nursing homes for older people have been offered the vaccine (albeit a small number who have covid outbreaks). Not taking anything away from this fantastic work but One thing I don’t like is the wording: that the top priority groups will be vaccinated by mid Feb. The top priority groups will have had half a vaccination by then and not fully vaccinated until April. I think this is important to realise and take note of due to people thinking by mid Feb the vulnerable/elderly are protected let’s get on with our lives.

From an interview with the CEO of Oxford/AZ.

Oxford University conducted the so-called Oxford trial in UK and Brazil, and we have data for patients who received the vaccine in one-month interval, 2 or 3 months interval. First of all, we believe that the efficacy of one dose is sufficient: 100 percent protection against severe disease and hospitalisation, and 71-73 percent of efficacy overall. The second dose is needed for long term protection. But you get a better efficiency if you get the 2nd dose later than earlier.

Yes they will still need their second jab bit from two weeks for Pfizer and three weeks for Oxford they have most there protection. It is something like 89% first jab and 91% second. The extra 2% is just a little boost and to make sure of longevity.

The jabbed do still need to follow the rules like everyone else though. As transmission after vaccination is still unknown.

And more importantly if they start getting on with normal life everyone else will crack.

@CKBJ except people aren’t only ‘half vaccinated’. We have had this debate over and over and over. With one dose of the Oxford and the Pfizer you have sufficient protection after 2/3 weeks to prevent serious disease and hospitalisation. The second jab is the longevity top up. Do you really think this decision has been taken without any data and a population level mindset?

Question: do the vaccine calculators that tell you when to expect your vaccine take into consideration the fact that from mid-feb a huge amount of vaccine capacity will have to go on giving people second injections? So the pace of 1st vaccines will have to slow unless they ramp up distribution to double what it is right now?

[quote Blessex]@CKBJ except people aren’t only ‘half vaccinated’. We have had this debate over and over and over. With one dose of the Oxford and the Pfizer you have sufficient protection after 2/3 weeks to prevent serious disease and hospitalisation. The second jab is the longevity top up. Do you really think this decision has been taken without any data and a population level mindset?[/quote]
Except that people are half vaccinated. They have received one shot of the required two

That is not the same as saying that the time to be fully vaccinated (and 491,053 people are fully vaccinated) is unsafe, nor that there is an absense of useful protection during that time.

It is stating the fact that only half the required course has been administered, and that the full level and length of protection had not yet been conferred.

@NiceViper ok. At least we are on the same page. Nothing to disagree with you there.

Except that people are half vaccinated. They have received one shot of the required two

But “half vaccinated” implies that they’re only 50% protected through having the first dose, and that isn’t true. It’s much, much, higher than that.

@buttery81 well that was my point. But if @NiceViper is saying that they are only half vaccinated but they have much much much more than half the protection then so be it. The issue is that others won’t assume that is what is being implied so it is worth clarifying.

That erroneous idea does not however cancel the fact that having received only one of a required two-shot course is half.

And for a wrong ride, it's a remarkably useful one. People are not to change their adherence to to measures to limit transmissions. Over-confidence on the nature and level of protection is a distinct hazard.

*ride

should have been 'idea' - sorry, no idea what happened there

Vaccine supply is being scaled up. Pfizer supplies should increase dramatically in mid Feb once their factory expansion increases.

AZ are continuing to scale up their supplies.

Moderna comes online for us in March, and I think Novavax is already in production so as soon as it gets approval (hopefully by end of Feb) that should be ready to roll.

So we'll have 4 vaccines to draw from.

The covid booking app is showing a lot of spare capacity in the system even with the supply we currently have.

I wish the government would advise all those in priority groups 1-4 to try to book through the app if they haven't heard anything, rather than telling them to wait for letters.

@NiceViper And for a wrong ride, it's a remarkably useful one. People are not to change their adherence to to measures to limit transmissions. Over-confidence on the nature and level of protection is a distinct hazard.

Nobody is suggesting anything of the sort. But this is a positive thread for positive vibes and it puts a lot of peoples minds at rest to know that after one dose of vaccine their loved ones have a very high level of protection. Not ‘half’.

There is nothing inherently not 'positive' about the fact that one dose of a two-dose course is half that course.

It's brilliant that so many people have had one dose. We are lucky that we have a specific time frame for getting the course completed. It is even more brilliant that close to half a million have been fully vaccinated, and that in a few weeks that number will increase enormously - from half vaccinated (first shot) to fully vaccinated (full course).