Are you taking this seriously?

[nolovelost]

Are there any people that aren't clinically vulnerable/vulnerale taking the virus seriously?

It seems like there aren't enough people thinking "well I'm not vulnerable but I'm taking it all on board and think the pandemic is horrendous".

It's all quite soul destroying, the whole thing isn't it but I'm hoping that people are rising above the relentless boredom and realising that the restrictions are for a good cause.

I know a few people that think everything has been exagerated and before the stricter mask rules came in the other week, refused to wear one.

I'm vulnerable, but not extremely clinically vulnerable, and was wondering how many on here think it's all a waste of time because they don't think they're at risk?

And the assumption that it only spreads because.people break the rules

And the assumption that it only spreads because.people break the rules.

Yes, I'm always a bit baffled by that. It's as if some people think that it's not possible to catch or pass on the virus while following the rules.

@lazylinguist

And the assumption that it only spreads because.people break the rules.

Yes, I'm always a bit baffled by that. It's as if some people think that it's not possible to catch or pass on the virus while following the rules.

Weird isn’t it, I work in a school so could very well catch it despite following all the rules

@tootiredtospeak

Why oh why do people equate not agreeing with the rules to breaking them and try to shut down any discussion around whether they are just by shouting how selfish everyone is. I don't disagree with the rules as such and think there have been times when necessary. I dont disagree they are unnecessary now. However, I do disagree with politicians propaganda through the news about death statistics and how they try to manipulate peoples emotions with news reports. They are trying to move all responsibility for this virus to us and our morals and we are letting them. People turning on each other. In a few weeks time the NHS pressure will have eased and lockdown will have worked. We then want a clear date when schools will open and it will end. All you have currently are then advising ot could be Spring it could be May it could be September. Then everyone jumping on board with that. It is ridiculous, we were told to wait for a vaccine and by mid Feb once the most vunerable had been vaccinated then they would give us a plan to come out of lockdown. They must stick to that not change the narrative to suit. A new strain..it could be more deadly. Jesus Christ we should not have to vaccinate the whole population to come out of this that's ridiculous and saying how selfish everyone is doesn't cut it.

exactly that!

Lost two friends to suicide and I don't care if I get it or die either I am utterly depressed the only thing keeping me going is my kids

@YukoandHiro

I really can't bear this "I'd rather die" nonsense from anyone under the age of 65 and certainly not from anyone with children. It's absolutely pathetic. This might be - at the very worst - three years of an otherwise long life.

And for those not vulnerable to death, long covid is no joke. Your life could be a hell of a lot worse with it. In fact, you may find yourself alive and having to live like this for years even when society has reopened because your health is so shit.

Why take the risk?

I really only understand this attitude from anyone whose already had the bulk of their healthy life behind them eg retirement onwards

Maybe you don't suffer mental health

It's not just the years of it. My mental health is shot to pieces and I've no idea if I'll snap right back when things become more normal or if it will take a long time to work through it. Same with many people.

To the lovely posters who tagged me in their rants. If I want to feel that saying that their short experience of how my DD has lived for 5 years is unbearable and inhumane is offensive, I will. Especially when prior to lockdown, people like that couldn't give a flying fuck that hundreds of thousands of people, including children, actually live like that every day. Who miss school, and social interaction that now is seen as being absolutely critical for mental and physical health, but hitherto people couldn't give a shit about when others couldn't get it.

But now, it's seen as so bad, so unbearable that they'd rather die than carrying on living like that. FFS! If they really think that, then they need to get help, not be posting on MN. When there are actually people who don't want to die, dying from this or being left with lives that make them wish they had. Literally nothing you could say would make me change my view on that. It's not a competition or a race to the bottom, but the lack of resilience in this country needs addressing, because that's not proportionate response to what's going on.

@BonnesVacances

To the lovely posters who tagged me in their rants. If I want to feel that saying that their short experience of how my DD has lived for 5 years is unbearable and inhumane is offensive, I will. Especially when prior to lockdown, people like that couldn't give a flying fuck that hundreds of thousands of people, including children, actually live like that every day. Who miss school, and social interaction that now is seen as being absolutely critical for mental and physical health, but hitherto people couldn't give a shit about when others couldn't get it.

But now, it's seen as so bad, so unbearable that they'd rather die than carrying on living like that. FFS! If they really think that, then they need to get help, not be posting on MN. When there are actually people who don't want to die, dying from this or being left with lives that make them wish they had. Literally nothing you could say would make me change my view on that. It's not a competition or a race to the bottom, but the lack of resilience in this country needs addressing, because that's not proportionate response to what's going on.

Who needs to change your view 🤷‍♀️ You’re the one ranting and raving. Your DD isn’t living like that for any cause that the public could change, what you are saying doesn’t make sense. I’m glad you’ve stopped using other people’s experiences though, that was pretty shit of you. Have a great day.

@BonnesVacances eh? I'm not saying your daughter's life is unbearable and inhumane. Presumably she has you for example for human contact? But my life to me is unbearable to the point I am suicidal.

I don't understand how i feel takes away from your daughter's life. I am not very resilient, because I have a long term mental illness, I have child with ASD, I am in the middle of a divorce oh and a global fucking pandemic.

Does your daughter feel like she has uttterly failed her own children? Does she feel like she will never have a healthy, loving relationship? Does she feel that she has messed up every career she's had? Does your daughter crave the physical touch of another human? Does she deal with the violent meltdowns of her daughter?

Unlikley, so how is it comparable?

* people like that couldn't give a flying fuck that hundreds of thousands of people, including children, actually live like that every day. Who miss school, and social interaction that now is seen as being absolutely critical for mental and physical health, but hitherto people couldn't give a shit about when others couldn't get it.*

It wasn’t that I didn’t give a shit.

It’s just that there’s so many other things I give more of a shit about.

I’m sorry your daughter has experienced this but the fact YOUR daughter has endured this for years doesn’t mean I look at my daughter and shrug and think “well other girls have it worse”

@Spiratedaway "the only thing keeping me going is my kids.

So you DO care if you die. That's what I'm saying. Not that this isn't miserable, or that people are suffering terribly, or that the aren't devastating effects for mental health. But the use of this phrase about "don't care if I die" isn't true for most people throwing it about and the rest of their posts reflect it. And it contributes to this hyperbolic atmosphere that's making a truly shite situation even worse.

I suffer from anxiety not depression. But I suffer with health anxiety. So this hasn't been an easy time for me. One week I made my poor DC go through three tests as I was freaking out so much. I also booked a test for my DH when he needed one as he had a bad cough and was refusing, and everyone on here piled on aggressively when I mentioned it and told me I was mentally ill and controlling.

These are awful times. But hyperbole makes it worse.

* Spiratedaway "the only thing keeping me going is my kids.*

Sounds a good enough reason for me.

@BonnesVacances

To the lovely posters who tagged me in their rants. If I want to feel that saying that their short experience of how my DD has lived for 5 years is unbearable and inhumane is offensive, I will. Especially when prior to lockdown, people like that couldn't give a flying fuck that hundreds of thousands of people, including children, actually live like that every day. Who miss school, and social interaction that now is seen as being absolutely critical for mental and physical health, but hitherto people couldn't give a shit about when others couldn't get it.

But now, it's seen as so bad, so unbearable that they'd rather die than carrying on living like that. FFS! If they really think that, then they need to get help, not be posting on MN. When there are actually people who don't want to die, dying from this or being left with lives that make them wish they had. Literally nothing you could say would make me change my view on that. It's not a competition or a race to the bottom, but the lack of resilience in this country needs addressing, because that's not proportionate response to what's going on.

I completely understand and agree that the language people use can be so very offensive to people who live 'in lockdown' on a long term or permanent basis and have done for many years. It's interesting isn't it that people are choosing to ignore that bit of your post.

Put it like this: people are coming along and saying that our lives are completely shit, because they are experiencing them on a temporary basis (but without the chronic pain aspect.) They are saying they would rather die than live our lives. They are saying it is no existence at all. They are saying that children who live like this usually have no life at all and no hope and no future.

Can people really not see how ignorant that is?

It's not about comparing and saying that we have it worse than others, or that covid sufferers have it worse than people with severe MH issues or any of that. This is about people making judgements on the lives people like this poster's DD and people like me already lead, or lead intermittently, and casting such great rancour on them that we are left reeling with feelings of worthlessness and pointlessness.

The mental health of the vulnerable is taking a great kicking in this too, but so often the vulnerable are lumped together as one great mass who should just hide away so everyone else can get back to normal. Those who take this line state proudly their care for mental health, but that doesn't appear to extend to the MH of all those already living a locked down life, those who have shielded all year, those who are (more) vulnerable to Covid.

It stinks.

Kindness in language is important.

Let's all be kind. Too much conflict in the world...

The fact that some people have no choice but to live a long term lockdown lifestyle doesn't change how other people experience it. To me it is unbearable, how other people feel about it is irrelevant to me.

people are coming along and saying that our lives are completely shit, because they are experiencing them on a temporary basis (but without the chronic pain aspect.) They are saying they would rather die than live our lives. They are saying it is no existence at all. They are saying that children who live like this usually have no life at all and no hope and no future

Can people really not see how ignorant that is?

Well said. 👏

Those who take this line state proudly their care for mental health, but that doesn't appear to extend to the MH of all those already living a locked down life

Or indeed, the MH of those of us with lifelong mental illnesses who ocassionally need life-saving emergency treatment for episodes such as overdoses or other forms of injury, and understand that unrestrained COVID will take those resources away. What it means is 'the mh of people without longterm mental or physical illnesses'. Okay, just say that then.

We are all bloody sick of it.
I'm sick of the fact that despite being fit and healthy, above average physical fitness, normal bmi etc I caught 'mild' covid and 8 weeks in I'm still off work and feeling like crap. Nowhere near 100% and god knows when I'll run again.

I'm sick of the fact I'll have to go back to working in an environment where I could catch it again (ICU)
I'm sick of looking after patients with covid and all the bloody stress and drama that goes with it, proning patients, assisting with intubations, finding that facetime isn't working when you are trying to contact relatives to have those last few words, all the time wondering if you've accidentally infected yourself with it.
I'm sick of not seeing my friends, not being able to drive to my caravan to chill or go for a nice coffee, shopping for clothes, meal out with dp.
I'm sick of my kids losing out, my 18 year old probably not getting an apprenticeship let alone a job in 6 months time, my 14 year old stuck at home, frustrated with inadequate online learning. We live in the north so opportunities will obviously be constrained up here, what's new, so much for levelling up....
We are all sick of it, I suspect I'm having anxiety attacks partially due to the fear and distress caused by having covid but also witnessing scores of people suffering and dying of it. It's shit but we carry on, I'm not a sheep or brain washed, hate this government as much as anyone but can't stand all this 'I'm done ' 'I'd rather die'. 1000s were living in poverty prior to this but no one gave jackshit, nhs MH services cut to bone, likewise social services.
Supect those who are so blase haven't had it, had it mildly and know no one who's died.

This is the whole point you are allowing the government narrative to make it personal to you and your circumstances but at the same time saying it's not personal to others and we are all in it for the greater good. There are so many people struggling my son has ASD and everything has been a battle for years. I dont then take offence to someone who cannot cope with lockdown. You are choosing to be offended...dont. abide by the rules but please question them. They cannot be never ending and without question we do not live in a dictatorship. The government said when we went into lockdown that if pressure eases on the NHS which it will in a few weeks time and if they had vaccinated the top 3 groups. They would look at slowly easing some restrictions and schools would be first. Now they are going back on that suggesting this new strain could be more deadly. I think that is propaganda to give more time. It's never going to be a perfect time there needs to be a balance and we were told this was it. Falling admissions and vaccinated vunerable groups. So for me unless admissions dont fall which they should as cases are decreasing the justification for lockdown is no longer there based on what they said. Taking all emotions out of the equation.

And if that isn't the stipulation of lockdown ending what is. They need to give a clear path out you cannot continue to simply say we must wait..what are we waiting for where is the next goalpost. Half a million people die every year and more than that are born. It breaks my heart reading the stories and sacrifices people have made but there still must be an end.

@Victoriacres

We are all bloody sick of it. I'm sick of the fact that despite being fit and healthy, above average physical fitness, normal bmi etc I caught 'mild' covid and 8 weeks in I'm still off work and feeling like crap. Nowhere near 100% and god knows when I'll run again.

I'm sick of the fact I'll have to go back to working in an environment where I could catch it again (ICU)
I'm sick of looking after patients with covid and all the bloody stress and drama that goes with it, proning patients, assisting with intubations, finding that facetime isn't working when you are trying to contact relatives to have those last few words, all the time wondering if you've accidentally infected yourself with it.
I'm sick of not seeing my friends, not being able to drive to my caravan to chill or go for a nice coffee, shopping for clothes, meal out with dp.
I'm sick of my kids losing out, my 18 year old probably not getting an apprenticeship let alone a job in 6 months time, my 14 year old stuck at home, frustrated with inadequate online learning. We live in the north so opportunities will obviously be constrained up here, what's new, so much for levelling up....
We are all sick of it, I suspect I'm having anxiety attacks partially due to the fear and distress caused by having covid but also witnessing scores of people suffering and dying of it. It's shit but we carry on, I'm not a sheep or brain washed, hate this government as much as anyone but can't stand all this 'I'm done ' 'I'd rather die'. 1000s were living in poverty prior to this but no one gave jackshit, nhs MH services cut to bone, likewise social services.
Supect those who are so blase haven't had it, had it mildly and know no one who's died.

You suspect wrong 🤷‍♀️ Also to say ‘No one gave Jackshit’ about the NHS being raided and people living in poverty, what a pile of steaming horse shit.

@Victoriacres high five to you! 🖐️ I'm not surprised you're sick of it, you're right in the thick of it. It must be so hard.

Exactly what @iloveeverykindofcat said

[quote YukoandHiro]@Spiratedaway "the only thing keeping me going is my kids.

So you DO care if you die. That's what I'm saying. Not that this isn't miserable, or that people are suffering terribly, or that the aren't devastating effects for mental health. But the use of this phrase about "don't care if I die" isn't true for most people throwing it about and the rest of their posts reflect it. And it contributes to this hyperbolic atmosphere that's making a truly shite situation even worse.

I suffer from anxiety not depression. But I suffer with health anxiety. So this hasn't been an easy time for me. One week I made my poor DC go through three tests as I was freaking out so much. I also booked a test for my DH when he needed one as he had a bad cough and was refusing, and everyone on here piled on aggressively when I mentioned it and told me I was mentally ill and controlling.

These are awful times. But hyperbole makes it worse. [/quote]
I can sympathise with the health anxiety, it’s been terrifying.