Are you taking this seriously?

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Are there any people that aren't clinically vulnerable/vulnerale taking the virus seriously?

It seems like there aren't enough people thinking "well I'm not vulnerable but I'm taking it all on board and think the pandemic is horrendous".

It's all quite soul destroying, the whole thing isn't it but I'm hoping that people are rising above the relentless boredom and realising that the restrictions are for a good cause.

I know a few people that think everything has been exagerated and before the stricter mask rules came in the other week, refused to wear one.

I'm vulnerable, but not extremely clinically vulnerable, and was wondering how many on here think it's all a waste of time because they don't think they're at risk?

I believe it exists i just don't really care anymore, i still see family, meet with friends, play dates etc the only thing i follow is wearing a mask in shops

I can understand the "I don't care if I catch it" point of view to a degree. When I was in the depth of my depression I didn't have thoughts of actually killing myself, but I did think that I didn't really care if I crashed into a ditch and died. I see the element of covid as not much difference, I wouldn't have purposely driven my car into a ditch, but the thought of ending up in a ditch didn't bother me and seemed relieving.

When I say "to a degree" I mean that my experience may not be the same as someone else's. Not that part of me still finds it unfathomable.

@Mallooby

I believe it exists i just don't really care anymore, i still see family, meet with friends, play dates etc the only thing i follow is wearing a mask in shops

I watched the Clive Myrie report last week from the frontline of a London Hospital. The doctors and nurses on their knees. The consultant who had to phone the wife of a previously healthy 28 yr old, to tell her he will probably die. (They had been married less than 2 years). The wife had already lost her father and brother in law.

The Average age in ICU is 60.

I find your behaviour, which is exactly the type of behaviour that increases the workload on these heroic health workers - stupid, selfish, self absorbed and utterly reprehensible.

Yes we are all pissed off. We are all stressed. We all want to see our friends and family. But we don't. Because we want this stress on out health system to decrease as fast as possible and making sure we don't end up adding to the hospital number is the only way this will happen. Whereas your behaviour is exactly what extends it.

Going by my work, 2 out if 7 kids i work with have been part of multiple bubbles over the weekend, a lot are noy following guidelines. So tomorrow back in a classroom with 5 kids who have mixed with a minimum of 3 different bubbles indoors over the weekend. Parents don't see a problem so happily share it. 😂

@trickyboy
people are humans. Stop telling other people how they should feel. and re "if you do'nt follow the rules it'll go on for longer" - well then maybe right there is the reason that lockdowns don't work, because they're designed with "perfect behaviour" in mind, which only works for a limited time. Not 9 months! It's both unrealistic and inhumane to expect us all to live like this, and in some cases to lose our livelihoods, for a disease that simply isn't going to kill that many people.
Also, I know you'll have a good answer to this, but tell me: did we lock down for Polio? for smallpox? for Hong kong flu? why not?

@Trickyboy okay and? I'm not putting mine and my child's life on hold any longer and none of the sob stories are going to change that fact i'm afraid. It's not my responsibility, if you want to make it yours then that's fine

If people want to go out and do whatever against rules then that's all good. Just please don't come to the NHS for help if you get seriously ill with covid by making that choice. There's not one person who doesn't know the rules by now. Fed up with hearing it. And more fed up with those slating the vaccine. That's great, don't take it - more for us that want it.

I'm not actively flounting the rules, still wear a mask etc.

Just utterly sick of the whole thing and really not sure it's worth it.

Yes, very seriously! 1) Because I have some degree of empathy for other people, probably an average amount, no more or less than average and 2) Because I understand enlightened self interest, a concept which seems to have evaporated into thin air - just because I'm not vulnerable to COVID, I'm still vulnerable to other things, and its in my interest and the interests of my family to have a society where public services function at some basic level. I have major mental health problems that require A and E and at one point ICU intervention. I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet, so I'd quite like the services that have kept me alive in the past to keep functioning thanks!

Most people I know are taking it seriously - wearing masks, not visiting houses etc. Is that what you mean, or do you think there’s another level to which people should be going?

I can't imagine a nice day doing yoga and pottering about. Maybe my 2 year old and baby will cut me some slack today

Seriously in my life before I was doing stay and play and toddler classes, meeting friends in cafes or each others houses and soft play was always an option when the weather was bad. Barely leave the house except for walks and the supermarket now.

@Lovely1a2b3c

Do people realise that the virus could mutate to affect kids more? Would all those people who care so little about 45-80 year olds and those with pre-existing conditions who are most at risk of Covid, suddenly care then?

Are you a virologist?

I'm not convinced I'd care more. I've only got the energy to think about how I'm going to cope with another day. Half the country could die overnight and it wouldn't make much difference to me right now as long as it wasn't someone in my immediate circle.

How many million times can it be said that Covid is not the only thing killing people right now, it’s just idiotic to say ‘Ohh if it affected kids/young more you’d care’ The very fact it is affecting kids and young people adversely (just not in the way cared about at the moment) is exactly why most parents are so concerned. I’ve not broken any rules so put that in your saintly pipe but I understand people that have started to become non compliant! To rub your hands thinking if kids start dying that’ll teach them not to get depressed or worry about their kids is so beyond ridiculous and frankly sick.

I honestly don't care anymore. I respect people's space and always follow SD rules but I am so done with lockdown now. Just want to go on holiday already.

@Fembot123

How many million times can it be said that Covid is not the only thing killing people right now, it’s just idiotic to say ‘Ohh if it affected kids/young more you’d care’ The very fact it is affecting kids and young people adversely (just not in the way cared about at the moment) is exactly why most parents are so concerned. I’ve not broken any rules so put that in your saintly pipe but I understand people that have started to become non compliant! To rub your hands thinking if kids start dying that’ll teach them not to get depressed or worry about their kids is so beyond ridiculous and frankly sick.

Well said

@Madhairday I hear you. My DD has had ME since she was 14. She's now 19. The last 5 years of her life (childhood) have been spent at home, no school, socially isolated, uncertain future. Then she caught Covid last year from my DS who's at school and whose Maths teacher tested positive two days into the first lockdown. Since then she's had Long Covid and been bedbound for 10 months.

I find the handwringing over lockdown utterly offensive. How missing school, being stuck at home, missing their friends is a fate worse than death. How it's inhumane. How people would rather DIE than do it any more. Goodness knows how people whose loved ones have died feel.

People not taking this seriously need to give their selfish heads a wobble. There's another thread where a MNetter is waiting to find out if her DH in his early 40s with underlying health conditions is going to live. They have 3 young DC. Hospital staff are battling to save his life. To knowingly risk putting your loved ones through those sleepless nights and worry, and not care if you do because you can't cope with another day of lockdown is frankly appalling.

Why oh why do people equate not agreeing with the rules to breaking them and try to shut down any discussion around whether they are just by shouting how selfish everyone is. I don't disagree with the rules as such and think there have been times when necessary. I dont disagree they are unnecessary now. However, I do disagree with politicians propaganda through the news about death statistics and how they try to manipulate peoples emotions with news reports. They are trying to move all responsibility for this virus to us and our morals and we are letting them. People turning on each other. In a few weeks time the NHS pressure will have eased and lockdown will have worked. We then want a clear date when schools will open and it will end. All you have currently are then advising ot could be Spring it could be May it could be September. Then everyone jumping on board with that. It is ridiculous, we were told to wait for a vaccine and by mid Feb once the most vunerable had been vaccinated then they would give us a plan to come out of lockdown. They must stick to that not change the narrative to suit. A new strain..it could be more deadly. Jesus Christ we should not have to vaccinate the whole population to come out of this that's ridiculous and saying how selfish everyone is doesn't cut it.

[quote BonnesVacances]@Madhairday I hear you. My DD has had ME since she was 14. She's now 19. The last 5 years of her life (childhood) have been spent at home, no school, socially isolated, uncertain future. Then she caught Covid last year from my DS who's at school and whose Maths teacher tested positive two days into the first lockdown. Since then she's had Long Covid and been bedbound for 10 months.

I find the handwringing over lockdown utterly offensive. How missing school, being stuck at home, missing their friends is a fate worse than death. How it's inhumane. How people would rather DIE than do it any more. Goodness knows how people whose loved ones have died feel.

People not taking this seriously need to give their selfish heads a wobble. There's another thread where a MNetter is waiting to find out if her DH in his early 40s with underlying health conditions is going to live. They have 3 young DC. Hospital staff are battling to save his life. To knowingly risk putting your loved ones through those sleepless nights and worry, and not care if you do because you can't cope with another day of lockdown is frankly appalling.
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For the thousandth time ITS NOT A COMPETITION!!! There are people on this thread who are suicidal, how dare you diminish that because you don’t feel the same. I can tell you how people whose loved one have died of Covid as I am one of them, my 36 year old relative died and I can STILL empathise with people who simply can’t cope. Poke your angry emoji where the sun don’t shine and stop using other people’s tragic situations as a stick to beat others with. I think you are appalling so we are even in this bizarre competition.

@tootiredtospeak

Why oh why do people equate not agreeing with the rules to breaking them and try to shut down any discussion around whether they are just by shouting how selfish everyone is. I don't disagree with the rules as such and think there have been times when necessary. I dont disagree they are unnecessary now. However, I do disagree with politicians propaganda through the news about death statistics and how they try to manipulate peoples emotions with news reports. They are trying to move all responsibility for this virus to us and our morals and we are letting them. People turning on each other. In a few weeks time the NHS pressure will have eased and lockdown will have worked. We then want a clear date when schools will open and it will end. All you have currently are then advising ot could be Spring it could be May it could be September. Then everyone jumping on board with that. It is ridiculous, we were told to wait for a vaccine and by mid Feb once the most vunerable had been vaccinated then they would give us a plan to come out of lockdown. They must stick to that not change the narrative to suit. A new strain..it could be more deadly. Jesus Christ we should not have to vaccinate the whole population to come out of this that's ridiculous and saying how selfish everyone is doesn't cut it.

Not only do the confabulate this issue they assume we are conspiracy theorists and anti vaxxers as that is more easily dismissed, the voices saying they can’t cope are louder and louder and outweighing the lockdown lovers on most threads about the issue now. We can’t have a discussion about needed an exit plan without being insulted, called murderers, selfish etc etc.

[quote BonnesVacances]@Madhairday I hear you. My DD has had ME since she was 14. She's now 19. The last 5 years of her life (childhood) have been spent at home, no school, socially isolated, uncertain future. Then she caught Covid last year from my DS who's at school and whose Maths teacher tested positive two days into the first lockdown. Since then she's had Long Covid and been bedbound for 10 months.

I find the handwringing over lockdown utterly offensive. How missing school, being stuck at home, missing their friends is a fate worse than death. How it's inhumane. How people would rather DIE than do it any more. Goodness knows how people whose loved ones have died feel.

People not taking this seriously need to give their selfish heads a wobble. There's another thread where a MNetter is waiting to find out if her DH in his early 40s with underlying health conditions is going to live. They have 3 young DC. Hospital staff are battling to save his life. To knowingly risk putting your loved ones through those sleepless nights and worry, and not care if you do because you can't cope with another day of lockdown is frankly appalling.
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Why does the suffering of other people and children due to the effects of lockdown upset you so much? Sorry, but don't you have enough to be worrying about here? Children and young people have killed themselves due to the effects of the lockdown, but here you are, downplaying the effects of it because your daughter caught covid so now it's everyone elses fault. It just seems like you're projecting your guilt onto the "selfish bad population" to absolve yourself of the personal responsibility you perhaps feel. I'm not saying that's exactly what you're doing here, but I do think it's best to refrain from denigrating comments toward people who are suffering. It's just really low and imo, not a good use of your time.

i worry about those that have either had covid, or had the vaccine, thinking they are invincible

It shouldn't matter if you are going to get sick or worse or not, surely the fact that another human could do as a result of your actions is enough to make taking this seriously a priority.

@BonnesVacances

There is always someone worse off.

It sounds like you're saying, we shouldn't care about our problems because someone, somewhere has it worse.

I'm sorry to hear your daughter has had an awful time. That is no consolation to me when mine is suffering with stress and anxiety due to this relentless situation.