Endless Propaganda

[Bewareoftheblob]

I cannot believe the endless Covid propaganda on the news channels at the moment. There doesn't seem to be any challenge to the stay at home/don't kill Gran/crying nurses narrative at all.

I am pretty disgusted by the emotional manipulation and attempts at behaviour modification going on.

Or am I being unreasonable...

I chatted to a friend today whose elderly relative has not seen family in months, had a fall earlier in the week and got taken into hospital. Within a couple of days she had contracted covid and is now on oxygen.

When you look at the data you find that 25% of people who were hospitalised with covid in December had contracted it in the hospital. With all due respect to our doctors and nurses, why is this not a national scandal? Why aren't the press talking about this?

YukoandHiro
I agree @Flaxmeadow - and who could forget the AIDS tombstone as? That scared the shit out of me as a child

Yes the big looming tombstones but I dont remember anyone compliang at the time. People rightly saw it as a public health and safety issue

Also. Who of those old enough to remember can forget "dark and lonely water". They even had the famous horror movie actor Donald Pleasance doing the voice over for that one

The whole point of them was a stark warning and they worked

You asked what the solution to having elderly people die on their own was, and that's what I provided!

But my solution would have also meant they wouldn't be dying alone, along with the rest of society still being able to operate in relative normality. Would that not be better than yours?

@gasgig that's crazy. How much more essential can you get than bread and milk.

@Flaxmeadow

YukoandHiro I agree @Flaxmeadow - and who could forget the AIDS tombstone as? That scared the shit out of me as a child

Yes the big looming tombstones but I dont remember anyone compliang at the time. People rightly saw it as a public health and safety issue

Also. Who of those old enough to remember can forget "dark and lonely water". They even had the famous horror movie actor Donald Pleasance doing the voice over for that one

The whole point of them was a stark warning and they worked

People did complain didn’t they? It swung around as HIV positive people were being treated pretty badly

YANBU. The adverts in particular are doing my head in and actually have the opposite effect on me: I find the idea that me going for a job may result in me killing someone's gran ridiculous, given everything we know about how Covid spreads. Therefore all these ads do is put my back up and make me want to go out more.

However, what is really pissing me off is that the public are constantly being blamed for spreading Covid... Yet no one is talking about the huge proportion of cases that are being picked up in hospital. Ill people are going in with other conditions, catching Covid, and dying. I think I read it was something like 25% of cases. Where is infection control? And now dare they berate us for going for a sodding walk when this is happening?!?

@BasiliskEgg

The only person who would look me in the eye and say it is Boris Johnson.

Do you really think that a tory government would trash the economy to save the lives of the old and vulnerable? Or do you think maybe that the alternative would be even worse for the economy?

This is what I don't think people get. It isn't about covid vs mental health/education/the economy. If we didn't take measures to control the spread of the virus, those things would be shot to shit anyway. It isn't like we can choose to have our kids in school and the economy fully open and functioning even if we collectively do agree that we don't care if old people die.

Do people genuinely not get that?

I typed a full reply to this

I can't see it now.....has MN eaten it? Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you.

There aren't a lot of easy or pleasant ways to die.

Anecdotal data on this is suprisingly slim.

who could forget the AIDS tombstone ads?

Who indeed? But it's also worth remembering how it was presented as being a threat to everyone and how some insisted we were all going to DIIIEEE

Glad you reminded me actually ...

My bingo card is primed and ready for the revelations to come in a few years of exaggerations, lies, and actors.

@Pissedoff1234 no idea they never explained further.

Another poster used to run inside when out in her garden when the neighbours went into theirs. She was complaining because she thought it was the neighbours who were the issue...

@BasiliskEgg

You asked what the solution to having elderly people die on their own was, and that's what I provided!

But my solution would have also meant they wouldn't be dying alone, along with the rest of society still being able to operate in relative normality. Would that not be better than yours?

Yes but we can't go back in time for your solution... Mine could easily be implemented tomorrow...

Easy... One family member permitted to be with a relative in their final hours, mask and gloves to be worn... Isolation form and address filled out and follow up call or visit done within the 10 days.

What you are offering is not a solution but as the avengers put it... A "time heist"

Mine could easily be implemented tomorrow

No it couldn't because it would increase the spread and we aren't at a point we can afford any leeway on that.

[quote Pissedoff1234]@Dowser yes it is going to kill granny or it's ok to go.

@gasgig are you being serious. I'm walking in trainers and have never broken a bone. It's not likely to happen on the only walk I've been on since Xmas day.

Me, my DH and my 4 kids don't leave the house at all at the minute. All shopping is quarantined or wiped after being delivered and we have seen no one else in the flesh other than delivery guys. [/quote]
It ok to go

But my solution would have also meant they wouldn't be dying alone, along with the rest of society still being able to operate in relative normality.

By having zero cases? Again how was that possible here in the UK?

Basil maybe they think there's a magical spare, fully staffed hospital in every town to look after the under 50's who get cancer, break their arms or have accidents 🤷‍♀️.

[quote frumpety]@Bewareoftheblob

There have always been years with high excess death rates.

Absolutely there have, but an actual bona fide World wide pandemic, effecting every single country in the world simultaneaously ? Not so many, which is why it is so newsworthy.
Is the BBC lying to you and the rest of the country ? Are they making up the scenes they film ? Are they using actors/film sets ? Do you believe they are only showing the images to make you think and act in a certain manner, why would they do that and who benefits the most from that change in behaviour ?[/quote]
I didn't say they were lying, I said I said I was sick of the manipulation.

I remember those
Think once, twice, bike
That was a good one.

Yes. Grim and the crunch when the bike hit the car

I don’t think they were done to death like they have been done this year though

I think they were shown a lot more back then and all through the day. I believe some of the well known actors did then for free but that was back when people respected the health services

Famous horror movie actor Donald Pleasance's voice over "dark and lonely water" public health message

@PicsInRed

There was one on the radio the other day "if you bend the rules, people will die..." It was such an obvious lie I actually told the radio to fuck off it resolutely remained where it was.

Yes they are playing this one on Spotify endlessly, there are different versions but all contain that final line. It's breathtaking, and I actually laughed in disbelief after a few of them.

OP, I completely agree with you. It's enraging and terrifying in equal measure what the media are doing. I have actually lost all trust in media, not that I had much but I did have some. It's gone.

@BasiliskEgg

Mine could easily be implemented tomorrow

No it couldn't because it would increase the spread and we aren't at a point we can afford any leeway on that.

If it was done safely it would be no more risk than going to the supermarket.

Also as Soon as the vulnerable have been vaccinated, case Numbers will be irrelevant as long as deaths and hospital admissions continue to decline.

@Bewareoftheblob

I didn't say they were lying, I said I said I was sick of the manipulation.

OK, sorry, when you say manipulation what do you mean by that ? The BBC is trying to manipulate you to do or not do what ? How do they or someone else benefit from manipulating you ?

The public health messages made sense though, playing on a railway is not a good idea nor is drinking bleach. To me that's different to the current "if you bend the rules, people will die..." message.

I mean I'm fairly certain the majority of people would agree with me that's its more essential to be with a loved one in their final moments than it is to have a contractor still come into your house

@carlaCox

I chatted to a friend today whose elderly relative has not seen family in months, had a fall earlier in the week and got taken into hospital. Within a couple of days she had contracted covid and is now on oxygen.

When you look at the data you find that 25% of people who were hospitalised with covid in December had contracted it in the hospital. With all due respect to our doctors and nurses, why is this not a national scandal? Why aren't the press talking about this?

My friend was i. Hospital for his underlying conditions He caught it in there

@AcornAutumn

"Dying from Covid at any age is a tragedy. It's not an easy or pleasant way to die you know."

It's easier than many deaths. There aren't a lot of easy or pleasant ways to die.

My uncle died of Covid in May. He was 91. He suffered terribly not being able to breathe, in terrible pain and very very frightened.

He should have just died of old age in his sleep.