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Endless Propaganda

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Bewareoftheblob · 23/01/2021 17:36

I cannot believe the endless Covid propaganda on the news channels at the moment. There doesn't seem to be any challenge to the stay at home/don't kill Gran/crying nurses narrative at all.

I am pretty disgusted by the emotional manipulation and attempts at behaviour modification going on.

Or am I being unreasonable...

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/01/2021 15:23

A lot of our future progression is pegged against the effectiveness of the vaccines. Should the mutations cause issues then we are essentially back to square only with a more transmissible version with possible higher lethality

Exactly - which is why those of us who never assumed the vaccines would solve everything have been asking how people would like to see things handled in such a scenario

But as a PP said there's hardly ever any reply; all you get is versions of "we have the vaccines now so we've just got to hang on", except that while we're doing it there could well be even more mutations, some possibly worse

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/01/2021 15:26

A lot less bluster from Johnson suddenly

I've thought for a long time that he (and others) are probably busy preparing their way out

After all Cameron did it over a lot less, and it's not as if any of them will see their income damaged by the fallout

Userzzz · 24/01/2021 15:26

This thread is a reminder that common sense is back on the rise. Thanks op and everyone else for the balanced discussion.
For the people stating that a 98 year old death is a tragedy, there really are no words. My 94 year old grandmother is about to die, it’s very sad for us, but not a tragedy. She lived her life! When my sister was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 17, that was a tragedy! Stating a 98 year old death is a tragedy is pure propaganda. I can’t believe the seer number of idiots that fall for it.

MarshaBradyo · 24/01/2021 15:27

I don’t think so but who would replace him? And others

MadameTuffington · 24/01/2021 15:31

Maajid Nawaz on LBC - a big fat breath of fresh air - he’s super intelligent, informed and always has an interesting slant on current affairs.

Fuck Sky & BBC - mostly sanctimonious and emotive bollocks when discussing Covid.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2021 15:34

@Bewareoftheblob

I cannot believe the endless Covid propaganda on the news channels at the moment. There doesn't seem to be any challenge to the stay at home/don't kill Gran/crying nurses narrative at all.

I am pretty disgusted by the emotional manipulation and attempts at behaviour modification going on.

Or am I being unreasonable...

You are being unreasonable.

If you think its ONLY covid that has this issue you should open your eyes a bit wider and wake up.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 24/01/2021 15:42

@Userzzz

This thread is a reminder that common sense is back on the rise. Thanks op and everyone else for the balanced discussion. For the people stating that a 98 year old death is a tragedy, there really are no words. My 94 year old grandmother is about to die, it’s very sad for us, but not a tragedy. She lived her life! When my sister was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 17, that was a tragedy! Stating a 98 year old death is a tragedy is pure propaganda. I can’t believe the seer number of idiots that fall for it.
My dad told us on his 80th birthday that if he were to die of a heart attack, in his sleep or through an accident, he would haunt us forever if we put "died suddenly" or "unexpectedly" in the death notice. To quote him " now I'm 80 I shall consider getting to 81 as a bonus". he died in November aged 83.
MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/01/2021 15:51

@trulydelicious Well I was rage posting from the depths of my cups, so I take your comment on the chin.

What was broiling around my exasperated brain was the effect of the virus on an NHS that was already on its knees, and sadly failing some people, hence the post I made before. Brexit seems relevant as it has been ploughed on with creating supply chain problems partly on the medical front. A 26 year old in my family is Type 1 diabetic and has been monitoring the insulin situation, and his is manufactured in Europe.

The point I was trying unsuccessfully to make was that the messages about the virus do seem like propaganda designed to keep us focussed in just that area, and ignore all the other issues that have also been handled badly over the last few years. Capitalism demands growth and profit, it's a dog eat dog system. While the countryside overall economy may be tanking, the virus has allowed some advantageously placed people to make a killing (no pun intended). I was thinking of disaster capitalism, and the decrease in equality of opportunity that the virus has exacerbated. The people who avoid isolating for fear of losing their jobs for example, or cannot afford to live on SSP, plus the shambles that UC can be, placing people in debt to the state from the start of their claim. Under lockdown people doing things within the rules such as working are of course going to be more likely to be exposed to the virus, which is why Propaganda style adverts like "If you go out you will spread the virus and people will die" are actually pretty awful when compliance is reportedly so high we don't have 50,000 dying a week. In the face of new more transmissible variants, more support should be given to reduce risk, not focussing on individual behaviours dictated by necessity.

The infectios were rising before Christmas and the messages have been mixed, either the new variant is more lethal or it isn't but telling us it may be is vague and scaremongering. Prolonged instability and uncertainty is something that contributes to CPTSD, which will become an epidemic if this carries on much longer. We are seeing poor coping strategies (me and my vodka - hand head in shame and daily trying to do better), increased child abuse, poor health outcomes etc.

Yes we will get through it as a nation, but for some people the effects of this pandemic will last forever.

Propaganda is the twisting of truth to suit an agenda, and can include outright lies, which can then be retracted as mistaken information. We have been subjected to mixed messaging throughout which is why we are weary and anger is building. We are being told that normal life is akin to murder and the vast majority don't want that on their conscience, so it is a great tool for control. Vast amounts of money are spent on working out how to steer a population in whichever direction is deemed most beneficial. Divide and rule is a real thing.

The NHS was used as propaganda to get the Brexit vote through. Quoted figures were lies, outright lies.

I can't begin to fathom a logical agenda for all this beyond the seemingly altruistic but protecting our capitalist system and the influence of corporations are definitely in there. Which is more important, ? as they are intertwined. What is the collateral damage? Which benefit outweighs which risk?

One thing I do know is keeping people on a knife edge is less damaging to society than having so many people with nothing to lose they think fuck it and turn to any method for survival.

The virus exists it is deadly to some, measures must be taken. If these measures appear haphazard and our educated population ask too many questions, then propaganda will be utilised.

And I'll try to stay away from the tablet while drunk.

hopsalong · 24/01/2021 15:56

It's depressing, I agree. I feel I've started reading the newspapers like someone in Soviet Russia. It's not that I think the news being reported is false, but the angles aren't trustworthy, and the real news often seems to be the news behind the news.

eg when Boris announced the other day that the new variant was more deadly, as well as more contagious, was that news? It's likely true, but all the scientists emphasised that the data was provisional, may not reach significance, etc. I took the real news to be a political decision not to reopen schools. Which isn't necessarily the wrong decision. But I can't stand the feeling of being constantly manipulated. I particularly dislike the implication that we're all too stupid or lacking in altruism to do the right thing unless we're shit scared about becoming ill ourselves. I would be amazed if I got Covid again and became very ill, and it's really very unlikely that any of us will need the NHS in the next year or so for anything else urgent. Other than in pregnancy, I've never needed to go to hospital. Not have either of my children/ husband.

It would be so much nicer if the better instincts of the healthier part of the population could be appealed to: ie 'we know that for you personally this is shit, because your business has collapsed, your children aren't going to school, and you'll be poorer for the rest of your lives. So THANK YOU.' Instead there's only scolding.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/01/2021 16:01

@hopsalong

Yes, I am in agreement.

Lovely1a2b3c · 24/01/2021 16:03

@Nousernamesleftatall

Some countries didn’t lockdown. Sweden less cases than the U.K.

California locked down, Florida is not (and would have an older population). Both have the similar cases.

North Dakota has restrictions and masks. South Dakota has no masks. North Dakota has more cases than South.

The NHS is always overwhelmed in January. The government have known for nearly a year we are dealing with Covid why did they not prepare better? Why are they not using lateral flow testing? Is the NHS overwhelmed with numbers or lack of staff?

Sweden has more cases than other Scandinavian countries. It is not comparable to the UK.

Lateral flow testing doesn't work- it misses about 50% cases.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/01/2021 16:04

When a sports team has a motivational speech from the coach do they hammer home that if they drop down the league, when they lose, money will be lost and people will blame them, or are their strengths focussed on and their high ability to win? Which approach gets the better result?

daisychain01 · 24/01/2021 16:12

@Thewiseoneincognito

This may not go down well but I think the tone has shifted because as more data is being analysed and understood they’re seeing a bumpier road ahead.

A lot of our future progression is pegged against the effectiveness of the vaccines. Should the mutations cause issues then we are essentially back to square only with a more transmissible version with possible higher lethality.

I'm certain that scientific research hasn't ground to a halt just because the current approved vaccines are being rolled out.

It isn't 'job and done', science continues to refine and develop new approaches or improve existing approaches to how the vaccination prepares each person to fight the virus.

Just as, when you've had your annual flu vaccine, there will be ongoing research building towards next year's vaccine.

So, we aren't "back to square one" with COVID-19 vaccine anymore than we are back to square one with the seasonal flu jab. That isn't how science works.

PeoplePleaser57 · 24/01/2021 16:17

@Candidamelena

Agree re trying to blackmail us emotionally. Why should Young healthy people’s lives be curtailed for the sake of a virus that kills barely anyone apart from the over 80s. Why can’t people be trusted to take responsibility and use their common sense ? I wouldn’t be surprised if the so called patients in the new ad were just actors.
FUCK. RIGHT. OFF There are a lot of vulnerable people who are nowhere near 80 who have died and will die from Covid because of selfish shit like this! You talk about common sense? I don't think you even know the meaning of the words. The rubbish you typed proves why people can't be "trusted to to take responsibility or use common sense" - THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED BECAUSE TOO MANY PEOPLE LISTEN TO SELF CENTRED CRAP LIKE THIS
daisychain01 · 24/01/2021 16:25

@MistressoftheDarkSide

When a sports team has a motivational speech from the coach do they hammer home that if they drop down the league, when they lose, money will be lost and people will blame them, or are their strengths focussed on and their high ability to win? Which approach gets the better result?
The difference between your scenario and the reaction to COVID-19 in UK, is that the coach is motivating a committed, hard working group of people who already recognise that they must continue to pull together, they have to set aside any self-centred attitudes they may harbour, for the good of the whole team's success.

That cannot be said universally for how people are responding to this crisis. Good results will be delivered when more people think about the effect of their behaviour on wider society rather than the attitude of "why should I care about someone I don't know and who I'll never meet". The adverts are just another red-herring.

Some people are so entrenched in their views, nothing will change their attitude, least of all motivational messages via Coach Boris. Hit the ignore Button.

Nousernamesleftatall · 24/01/2021 16:35

50% accuracy in people with no symptoms. Do they miss too many cases or is the PCR test giving too many false positives at amplified cycles of 40 - 45? I suspect the latter and that asymptomatic positives at such a high cycle is not a person currently infected with Covid. Austria has started to use them and their cases numbers have fallen. Other places are piloting them in the next few weeks.

Sweden has an older population than it’s neighbours. They admit the majority was in nursing homes in the beginning and they messed that up. Excess deaths for 2020 is 2000 or less.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/01/2021 17:01

Are only clever people susceptible to this kind of conditioning then? It's because I'm so stupid that it's not working?

I think in some respects youre right there OP, I dont mean it in a harsh way though, like with anti vaxxers, anti maskers, lockdown deniers, climate change deniers, flat earthers and the other ranges of conspiracy theories people dont understand enough about the subjects but that doesnt stop them picking up the ball and rolling with it, the human capacity for self harm is inexhaustable, have a look at the dunning kruger effect, i think it applies to all the people i listed above.

The Tories have found that short slogans have worked surprisingly well since 2016, leave means leave, get brexit done etc

nowbringmethathorizon · 24/01/2021 17:28

This thread is a good example of how the media/government have used people against people.

People policing other people, fighting amongst each other etc.

Divide and conquer.

And no I'm not a conspiracy theorist I work in a hospital and see it every day.

redsquirrelfan · 24/01/2021 17:30

I am quite fed up of all the propaganda coming from local councils.

"It's our responsibility to protect you"

No it isn't, the job most people want you to do and for which they pay council tax is to empty bins. Get on with that and stop all the mithering about people walking around parks.

trolltrollingsheep · 24/01/2021 17:34

@JustAnotherPoster00

Are only clever people susceptible to this kind of conditioning then? It's because I'm so stupid that it's not working?

I think in some respects youre right there OP, I dont mean it in a harsh way though, like with anti vaxxers, anti maskers, lockdown deniers, climate change deniers, flat earthers and the other ranges of conspiracy theories people dont understand enough about the subjects but that doesnt stop them picking up the ball and rolling with it, the human capacity for self harm is inexhaustable, have a look at the dunning kruger effect, i think it applies to all the people i listed above.

The Tories have found that short slogans have worked surprisingly well since 2016, leave means leave, get brexit done etc

Omg I can't believe you are putting the ones that are anti lockdowns in the same pot with the flat earthers 😂. What has this world come to?!

People are allowed to have opinions and being anti lockdown doesn't mean you don't believe in Covid. Such a misperception.
You obviously need to document yourself on the differences of course.

Covid is real Covid kills and the NHS is underwhelmed BUT people are losing their homes people are losing their jobs people are appealing to food banks more than ever, suicide numbers have doubled up, the number of abuse cases has risen, cancer patients are not receiving their treatment, etc.

I mean the nation is divided and because you believe that lockdowns are useful not everyone will share your point of view.

People who support lockdowns and the government propaganda are not necessarily correct and should accept that there are others who don't believe blindly in what the BBC and the government are telling them. 👍😉

trolltrollingsheep · 24/01/2021 17:35

Overwhelmed I meant 😂

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 24/01/2021 17:36

Agree.

My sister keeps posting things about rule breakers saying"it should be a policy that they don't get a ventilator if they're dying". I mean WTAF. Facism, anyone? Also find it interesting that she thinks people whose fault it is they're ill in the instance of COVID should get treated yet she's happy to have received bariatric surgery at a huge cost (bigger than the cost of a ventilator) from the NHS after being so big it was making her ill.

trolltrollingsheep · 24/01/2021 17:38

@nowbringmethathorizon

This thread is a good example of how the media/government have used people against people.

People policing other people, fighting amongst each other etc.

Divide and conquer.

And no I'm not a conspiracy theorist I work in a hospital and see it every day.

I agree...anti and pro lockdowns...anti and pro Covid ...what is this rubbish ?

We should stick together for once but instead are divided more than ever.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/01/2021 17:39

It's all a bit Fight Club sometimes..... the first rule of Covid / lockdown is you don't talk about Covid lockdown....the second rule of Covid / lockdown is.....

I am, by nature, quite cynical.....apologies.

redsquirrelfan · 24/01/2021 17:42

@Lastfreakinglegs

I had an angry covidiot leave a nasty note on my car when I drove 3 miles to take my 2 children to the beach. Apparently I was being selfish because I wasn't stuck at home thrashing myself on the back with willow branches and saying hail Mary. Hmm
My husband said today that this crisis has really shown who the Roundheads/puritans and Cavaliers would have been.

Makes a difference from the WW2 analogies!

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