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Skipsurvey · 23/01/2021 19:13

it needs to be one sided,
the vaccine is the only silver lining.
you find your own positives in life.

Dowser · 23/01/2021 19:14

@wanderings

The more Saint Boris and his merry men spout these stupid slogans, the less credible they look, and the more I plot my secret disobedience.

Bingo card primed for Boris's eventual U-turn on the gloomy narrative, for the phrase "the vaccine is working".

Exactly I now write little Bojo and wanksock scenarios Gives me endless fun. Yes, I really am that juvenile 😂

It’s only how we’ve been treated for a year.

BasiliskEgg · 23/01/2021 19:14

*Its wasn't covid that physically stopped them having family there... It is the restrictions that caused that!

So again, what was your solution?

LookToTreblesGoingTreblesGone · 23/01/2021 19:15

@Emmie2021

The world has gone mad - news reports calling a 98 year old in a care home dying a tragedy

Dying from Covid at any age is a tragedy. It's not an easy or pleasant way to die you know.

Confusedandshaken · 23/01/2021 19:16

I don't watch tv news. I read 2 broadsheets and check their sources. I also talk to a retired doctor friend and his junior doctor daughter. The 28 year old daughter has already had to inform more bereaved families of a loss in the 4 weeks since Christmas than her dad had to do in an entire 1 year stint in what was then intensive care.

My professional specialism is adolescent and young adult mental health and people are quite right to say that the current restrictions will probably have a long term impact on the mental health of many young (and older) people. We can work on that in the long term. At the moment my focus is making sure as many of us as possible survive this. That's worth a great deal of personal sacrifice to me.

WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 23/01/2021 19:16

@grassisjeweled

Because the vaccine gives you greater immunity than having Covid.

^

Go back and do the math on that one.

There's a high chance of it being a massive relief for the family, and not just at 98.

^

This. With bells on. It's not a tragedy!

What are you on about?

It's not math s - it's science. Do some reading.

Flaxmeadow · 23/01/2021 19:16

I cannot believe the endless Covid propaganda on the news channels at the moment. There doesn't seem to be any challenge to the stay at home/don't kill Gran/crying nurses narrative at all.

I am pretty disgusted by the emotional manipulation and attempts at behaviour modification going on.

Or am I being unreasonable...

Yes on balance I think you are being unreasonable.

Public health messages/adverts have always appealed to emotions and the purpose of them IS to change behaviour. It's a warning. Why else do you think they do it? For the fun if it? The NHS/public health etc make these adverts for very good reasons.

Many younger MNs won't remember but decades ago we were bombarded with public health messages. Adverts portraying
Babies accidentally drinking bleach (there used to be many hospital admissions for this)
Adults and children covered in blood thrown through car window screens (seat belts were not being worn)
Children dying on building sites, or drowning in water reservoirs (slum clearance/water safety)

And on and on it went, but the point is, it worked and saved many lives. It also saved the health service a lot of money and resources.

BasiliskEgg · 23/01/2021 19:17

So essentially it's not the virus that's to blame for restrictions.... Its the silly actions of a small amount of people.

Actually no, this is wrong. I agree with your sentiment but this is not correct. The reason we are in another lockdown is because the government didn't open schools safely, didn't get a proper test and trace system in place, didn't support people to properly self isolate and ensure it was done, encouraged people to return to office working and didn't put in place stringent quarantine measures when returning from abroad.

Those are overwhelmingly the reasons for the numbers we are seeing now, not a few people visiting parents or having parties.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/01/2021 19:18

In any any other year, a 98 year olds dying in a nursing homes would be a fairly expected event

Fixed that for you, Keating

Dowser · 23/01/2021 19:18

@NorbertMeubles

Was thinking the very same yesterday OP. Actually relieved by your post and the replies to see it's not just me who is thinking this.

God know , there’s a whole army out there You see them flocking on the beach, park , country walks. The DM love to report it though Even posted a pic today of the flocking on tynemouth beach I know as I copied it 😂 You can fool some of the people some of the time....etc

Forgetmenot157 · 23/01/2021 19:18

@BasiliskEgg

*Its wasn't covid that physically stopped them having family there... It is the restrictions that caused that!

So again, what was your solution?

My solution would be to let them have family by their side and then for that family to isolate afterwards...... Either unpaid or holiday from work if neccasary.

YukoandHiro · 23/01/2021 19:18

I agree @Flaxmeadow - and who could forget the AIDS tombstone as? That scared the shit out of me as a child

BasiliskEgg · 23/01/2021 19:18

Seriously, whether you think 98 year olds dying is tragic or not is neither here nor there. It isn't relevant to the conversation.

LucilleTheVampireBat · 23/01/2021 19:19

Dying from Covid at any age is a tragedy.
It's not an easy or pleasant way to die you know

I'm not sure that dieing of anything is particularly easy or pleasant. Why is covid special??

Pissedoff1234 · 23/01/2021 19:19

@Dowser yes it is going to kill granny or it's ok to go.

@gasgig are you being serious. I'm walking in trainers and have never broken a bone. It's not likely to happen on the only walk I've been on since Xmas day.

Me, my DH and my 4 kids don't leave the house at all at the minute. All shopping is quarantined or wiped after being delivered and we have seen no one else in the flesh other than delivery guys.

BasiliskEgg · 23/01/2021 19:19

My solution would be to let them have family by their side and then for that family to isolate afterwards...... Either unpaid or holiday from work if neccasary.

You don't think it would have been better to never have been in a situation where the isolation was necessary in the first place?

Miljea · 23/01/2021 19:20

Emmie2021 : The world has gone mad - news reports calling a 98 year old in a care home dying a tragedy

theunnamedcat : For their family im sure it is a tragedy

-No, no it really isn't. Not if they're actual grown-ups. Do you genuinely think a 98 year old's death is a 'tragedy'? It's sad, but also inevitable; but not 'a tragedy'.

Tragedy:
"an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe."

Not a very elderly person reaching the end of their lives, one way or another.

BasiliskEgg · 23/01/2021 19:20

I'm not sure that dieing of anything is particularly easy or pleasant. Why is covid special??

It. Does. Not. Matter.

The deaths are (in brutal public health terms) not the issue here. The issues are the hospitalisation numbers.

Dowser · 23/01/2021 19:20

@Flaxmeadow

I cannot believe the endless Covid propaganda on the news channels at the moment. There doesn't seem to be any challenge to the stay at home/don't kill Gran/crying nurses narrative at all.

I am pretty disgusted by the emotional manipulation and attempts at behaviour modification going on.

Or am I being unreasonable...

Yes on balance I think you are being unreasonable.

Public health messages/adverts have always appealed to emotions and the purpose of them IS to change behaviour. It's a warning. Why else do you think they do it? For the fun if it? The NHS/public health etc make these adverts for very good reasons.

Many younger MNs won't remember but decades ago we were bombarded with public health messages. Adverts portraying
Babies accidentally drinking bleach (there used to be many hospital admissions for this)
Adults and children covered in blood thrown through car window screens (seat belts were not being worn)
Children dying on building sites, or drowning in water reservoirs (slum clearance/water safety)

And on and on it went, but the point is, it worked and saved many lives. It also saved the health service a lot of money and resources.

I remember those Think once, twice, bike That was a good one.

I don’t think they were done to death like they have been done this year though.

gasgig · 23/01/2021 19:21

@Pissedoff1234 I was taking the piss as I've seen that response on many threads.

My favourite was a poster admonishing someone for going out to buy bread & milk as they are not essentials 😆

MarshaBradyo · 23/01/2021 19:21

I’m not listening to a lot of it and watching pretty much zero

But I can see why they do it even if I sidestep most of it

AcornAutumn · 23/01/2021 19:22

"Dying from Covid at any age is a tragedy.
It's not an easy or pleasant way to die you know."

It's easier than many deaths. There aren't a lot of easy or pleasant ways to die.

Forgetmenot157 · 23/01/2021 19:23

That wasn't your question... You asked what the solution to having elderly people die on their own was, and that's what I provided!

BasiliskEgg · 23/01/2021 19:24

It's easier than many deaths. There aren't a lot of easy or pleasant ways to die.

Unless those other deaths are caused by a very contagious disease currently overwhelming hospitals and causing other treatments to be postponed, they are not of any relevance to this discussion.

No, that does not mean "only covid deaths matter".

Dowser · 23/01/2021 19:24

Now they’ve reached the point of diminishing returns.
They’ve gone so much for overkill , people are switching them off, tuning them out
Because they’ve had enough of being treated like children

Even the children have had enough of being like children