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Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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Covidcovid · 23/01/2021 07:56

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

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shindiggery · 23/01/2021 17:14

You’re both ok though so not really a big deal? In previous years would you be handwringing so much if you’d both caught a virus/flu at Christmas? No. It would just be par for the course.

But a vast number of these people didn't get away with it so easily, did they, with the result that our hospitals are over capacity and many have died, so whatever point you're trying to make with that response is deeply misleading.

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Paapa · 23/01/2021 17:14

We’re you posting this on mn at the time? Or just now

There were a few early threads with very perceptive posters. But only a few

I was, many usernames and a couple of accounts ago.
I've also been vocal on my Facebook page, and have lost many friends through it.
I've been doing what I can.
Sadly, the world needed to be ruined for most people to understand that this would ruin the world.

shindiggery · 23/01/2021 17:15

Do you still have both kidneys? SELFISH!

Straw man.

TheKeatingFive · 23/01/2021 17:16

I strongly disagree with that.

In what sense? Your individual chance of dying is not very high, even if old/vulnerable.

The daily deaths reflect high levels of infection, not high fatality rates.

tinselearedcow · 23/01/2021 17:17

@midgebabe

Stays around the world

Most of the east is doing quite or very well
Their idea of an outbreak is measured in the tens not millions of cases
Brazil is a disaster
Europe is pretty poor

UK's death rate is worse than Brazil (and the US), we are a disaster too. It's shameful.
Maze76 · 23/01/2021 17:18

My point is, if you break the rules and get infected, you cannot complain about it. It’s a choice, I’m responsible for my actions and the consequences of those actions.

Ilovemypantry · 23/01/2021 17:18

@Paapa

It’s this selfish attitude that will keep us all in lockdown for longer and longer. Sadly, this is what the government are up against.

How can you still not be getting it?
Have you done any research?
Stats from around the world are pretty much the same, regardless of lockdown stringency.

Oh, I absolutely DO get it. And the countries that have not had as high death rates as U.K. locked down hard and everyone adhered to it, something a lot of people here seem unwilling to do.
TheKeatingFive · 23/01/2021 17:19

My point is, if you break the rules and get infected, you cannot complain about it

And if you don’t break the rules and get infected, what then?

Paapa · 23/01/2021 17:19

I strongly disagree with that.

0.1% of the UK population died with covid mentioned on the death certificate in 2020. Most of whom would have died in 2020 or 2021 anyway.

shindiggery · 23/01/2021 17:19

The Nhs is stressed most winters

Are you suggesting the NHS is unable to provide oxygen during a pandemic most winters, sending out calls to all off duty staff to return to the hospitals, building temporary morgues and staffing ICUs at unheard of ratios of staff to patients?

This isn't most winters and well you know it.

Ihatefish · 23/01/2021 17:19

@Paapa

I think people are starting to realise that this could be going on for years

The real question is, why didn't people realise this from the very beginning?

Because everyone was told it would be over by Easter/Christmas etc. It was obvious from the beginning. The trouble with the human race these days is they think there is an answer to everything, man can control nature and he can keep doing whatever he wants without consequence. Covid really fucked up that thought process and it’s taking time to sink in.

Since the beginning of man something has come a long every so often that has decimated large parts of the human race. Why should we be any different?

Man can’t control nature and occasionally we are reminded of that

Paapa · 23/01/2021 17:20

Oh, I absolutely DO get it. And the countries that have not had as high death rates as U.K. locked down hard and everyone adhered to it, something a lot of people here seem unwilling to do.

This just isn't true though, is it?

tinselearedcow · 23/01/2021 17:21

@Paapa

I strongly disagree with that.

0.1% of the UK population died with covid mentioned on the death certificate in 2020. Most of whom would have died in 2020 or 2021 anyway.

Paapa do you have evidence for your assertion that "most would have died in 2020/21*, because I think that is bullshit.
LegoAndLolDolls · 23/01/2021 17:21

Even if you wanted lockdown over your old life back, no amount of rule breaking will get us back to life as it was in 2019. I doesnt cross my mind to break the rules as to go back to normal life even with just socialising you would need all your friends and family to be in the same mind set. But most people arent.

I am wondering how uncomfortable I'm going to feel in crowd ever again, and I have had covid

TheKeatingFive · 23/01/2021 17:21

And the countries that have not had as high death rates as U.K. locked down hard and everyone adhered to it

That’s not universally true.

Japan didn’t lockdown. It didn’t test either (some of the lowest testing in the world).

Maze76 · 23/01/2021 17:22

@Robbybobtail

I visited my mum over Christmas, I made the choice and we both caught Covid. Luckily, neither one of us required hospital treatment but it was/ is awful and I’m still suffering with fatigue. If you decide to break restrictions then fine, but then don’t complain if you or your loved one gets infected or worse because of that choice.

You’re both ok though so not really a big deal? In previous years would you be handwringing so much if you’d both caught a virus/flu at Christmas? No. It would just be par for the course.

A month later I’m still fatigued and suffer with headaches. Yes, compared to some, I got off VERY lightly, but that was not a given for myself or my mother and I would not like to go through it again. It’s a the luck of the draw I guess?
Ilovemypantry · 23/01/2021 17:22

@TheKeatingFive

I strongly disagree with that.

In what sense? Your individual chance of dying is not very high, even if old/vulnerable.

The daily deaths reflect high levels of infection, not high fatality rates.

Sorry but you are talking absolute rubbish! Deaths are deaths, no matter how you look at it. Also, the old and vulnerable are absolutely more at risk of getting seriously ill or dying. Why are you trying to deny the facts?
Bollss · 23/01/2021 17:23

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'why didn't people realise this from the very beginning?'

Hmm, lack of crystal balls perhaps. Let's see, back in March there wasn't a superspreading variant and people were compliant.

'Why don’t you go and look for your sense of humour'

Nothing funny in tragic deaths and suffering, made worse by the people on here who just refuse to accept they are part of the problem, These tragic deaths and hospital patients are other people's loved ones y'know. Show some empathy and respect fgs.

Unless it's empathy for mental health conditions, because it's just SELFISH to have one of them.
TheKeatingFive · 23/01/2021 17:23

Sorry but you are talking absolute rubbish!

Okay. Slowly and clearly specify precisely what parts of my post are ‘rubbish’.

Bollss · 23/01/2021 17:24

Sorry but you are talking absolute rubbish! Deaths are deaths, no matter how you look at it. Also, the old and vulnerable are absolutely more at risk of getting seriously ill or dying. Why are you trying to deny the facts?
She's not. You just didn't understand. I got it.

shindiggery · 23/01/2021 17:25

I think what this thread has revealed is that a lot of people weren't delighted by the news we had a vaccine because it strengthened the argument for waiting in lockdown while it was administered, and now there is news that it might be less effective, they are delighted to seize that as a reason to abandon the project, even though any scientist would still say that giving the vaccination roll out a head start on the vaccine by cutting transmission links wherever possible is still likely to save many many lives including those who will fall ill and need the NHS for other essential treatments.

shindiggery · 23/01/2021 17:26

a head start on the virus

mufffintopandheels · 23/01/2021 17:26

People have had enough of this bull shit.

We are nearly one year into this and nothing has changed in terms of restrictions and rules.

The government have failed our country, they do not show good leadership or take ownership of their decisions.

I will wear a mask, wash my hands regularly and keep a distance.
I will not be told I can't see my own mother.

lockdownshmockdown · 23/01/2021 17:26

@Chickenqueen

Oh god can people just stop trying to brag and justify breaking the rules, just get on with whatever you want to do without broadcasting it to everyone and their cat - if you feel so happy and comfortable in your choices why are you coming on here to pick fights?

It's a discussion forum.