Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

How many of you have felt guilty all the winters prior to 2020 that you might have asymptomatically passed on the flu to someone who ended up dying from it?

If you didn't at the time, do you feel guilty about it now?
If not, why not?

Me following the rules will not make a blind bit of difference to schools reopening. It requires a collective effort that I have no control over.

Hard of thinking.

How is that hard of thinking?

Kindly enlighten me how I control the thought processes of the hundreds of thousands of people I need to also follow the rules for my actions to make any difference?

It’s a classic understanding of behavioural economics that making sacrifices that require others to collectively make sacrifices to see any impact is notoriously difficult to maintain. See also climate change.

Stop comparing Covid to the flu. That shipped sailed along time ago.

[quote Chaotic45]@BooksAreNotEssentialInWales seriously you've posted "deprivation, poor housing, dysfunctional families will feel the impact...... but the rest are mostly ok.

Absolute nonsense. Young people without previously dysfunctional families are falling apart- loads of them. If you understand what it's like being a teenager they you'll understand why this has been so hard on them.

A trip to the park won't cut it for these young people.

To suggest they are mostly fine, and those that aren't are from deprived or dysfunctional families is vile.

[/quote]
No I said the opposite. I was quoting another poster and saying they were absolutely wrong.

[quote AnaisNun]@Thewinterofdiscontent

Actually for many areas lockdown wasn’t lifted. I think where I live we’ve had a total of 4 weeks without lockdown or additional measures that banned mixing, since last March.

Funnily enough where I live is also a highly diverse and socioeconomically disadvantaged part of the country.

Let me tell you- the kids will NOT automatically be alright.

My four year old- who is at private forest school/ nursery 4 days a week, and sees his grandmother weekly, as she’s our bubble- cried for an hour this morning over a series of trivial things. His socks weren’t comfy. His black t shirt was in the wash. The sun hasn’t come out today. I “hurt his feelings” by asking him to go and brush his teeth properly.

I was irritated, increasingly so, and slightly snappily asked “what’s going on? What’s really upsetting you?”

You know what he said?

“ I want everything how it used to be”. And then he listed all the ways he was hacked off- and guess what? They were no different to the things all of the adults on this thread listed, at their heart. He misses seeing his wider family. He’s sick of the same walks. He hates the mask I ask him to wear in busy shops. He wants to go to the seaside, or to his cousins house. He wants to go swimming. He’s bored. He misses the library. And gymnastics class. And seeing his aunties dogs.

They sound minimal, like first world problems - but for a kid, with small worlds and limited life experience? These are WHOLE world problems.

My DS is a kid who has been shielded from the news, who is socialising at nursery, has enough to eat and a warm home, toys and books and daily country walks at weekends... and HE is absolutely at the end of his tether.

I dread to think how the many many less fortunate kids than mine are doing. The sort of kids that me and my sister were 30 years ago... so I can well imagine, but try hard not to.

Your blasé attitude shows nothing but your relative privilege.[/quote]
The fact that your four year old cried this morning over trivial things and said they would like things to be as they used to be doesn't mean that they will never be all right again. They are seeing friends at nursery and their grandmother. I would say you were the one with relative privilege. Get a grip and stop being dramatic.

@Frenchdressing

Stop comparing Covid to the flu. That shipped sailed along time ago.

*ship

Stop comparing Covid to the flu.

She’s comparing the effects. She’s not saying Covid is the flu.

But like Covid, the flu has been asymptomatically passed on to others that resulted in people’s deaths. Fact.

Not to the same extent and not to the point where the NHS is overcome. Although I appreciate it has come close.

Not to the same extent and not to the point where the NHS is overcome. Although I appreciate it has come close.

So the posters point is perfectly valid.

@TinyTinaTrysAgain
Older people who are single can have a support bubble, as can anyone.

That's not accurate. People that are shielding should not be in a bubble. Whatever their age.

Stop comparing Covid to the flu. That shipped sailed along time ago.

It's an infectious disease that some people die from. In the context that I'm using it, it's a good comparison.

Please don't dismiss the question just because to answer it would require some critical thought.

@Belladonna12

Read to the end.

I’m not saying DS is never going to be alright again- I said he’s at the end of his tether.

There are an awful lot of children less privileged than him who won’t be alright.

If this had happened 30 years ago, I would have been one. Indeed, my stepfathers abuse might well have killed me.

There are many kids for whom this time will alter the course of their lives irrevocably. And far too many who will be seriously harmed.

If you can’t wrap your head around that, or find it in yourself to care, I’d rather not engage with you further.

@Paapa

How many of you have felt guilty all the winters prior to 2020 that you might have asymptomatically passed on the flu to someone who ended up dying from it?

If you didn't at the time, do you feel guilty about it now?
If not, why not?

I also wonder how many of these posters who insist that of course they would give up their whole lives to save the lives of strangers have: Protested about cuts to benefits, which were widely reported to be causing deaths, or have given a significant share of their income (enough that they actually have to go without things they want) to food banks or homelessness charities? Protested against recent cuts to overseas aid, or give a significant share of their own incomes to charities that ensure, for instance, that the world's poorest children get basic healthcare? Have always worked full-time, whatever was best for their own family or health, because of course it would be very selfish to prioritise your own family or health over what would be good for wider society, so higher tax intake? Have consistently voted for whichever party would have the highest tax rate for them personally, for same reason as above?

The British public voted overwhelmingly for the party that was pledging the least money for the NHS in the December 2019 election. I find it amazing that so many people have been willing to give up so much to 'save the NHS' (and I think a lot of them have much less altruistic motives than they claim), given what past form would suggest.

@Paapa

Stop comparing Covid to the flu. That shipped sailed along time ago.

It's an infectious disease that some people die from. In the context that I'm using it, it's a good comparison.

Please don't dismiss the question just because to answer it would require some critical thought.

Ha ha ha! Yes I am totally incapable of ‘critical thought’. How patronising.

Critical thinking..., another bullseye on the MN bingo card.

[quote trulydelicious]@lunapeace

Law doesn't make sense though does it

The OP has opened several threads trying to stir up trouble and encourage unlawful activities

I'm surprised that @MNHQ have not deleted the thread yet[/quote]
What?

I’m disagreeing with my friend which I think my OP makes clear. I’m sticking to the rules thanks. Maybe some days I go for a solo dog walk in the morning and a solo bike ride in the afternoon which I think is a grey area but that’s as close to rule breaking as I go.

I haven’t started a single thread encouraging unlawful activities. 🤷‍♀️

Critical thinking..., another bullseye on the MN bingo card.

Perhaps because there's precious little of it going on.

Care to answer the question?

Critical thinking..., another bullseye on the MN bingo card.

You could, y’know, answer the question.

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The fact that your four year old cried this morning over trivial things and said they would like things to be as they used to be doesn't mean that they will never be all right again. They are seeing friends at nursery and their grandmother. I would say you were the one with relative privilege. Get a grip and stop being dramatic.

The point of that post sailed right over your head, didn’t it? The poster knows she and her child are privileged. She’s saying if this affecting a child with every advantage, fuck only knows what it’s doing to kids in far less privileged circumstances. And she’s right.

If her attitude becomes widespread, it will be nothing short of a bloodbath. We can survive this, but only if we pull together.

We are ALL suffering mental health issues. She isn't the only one.

I’ve stuck by the rules, done everything that has been asked of us but I’ve had enough. I avoided eat out to help out etc as that to me was a recipe for disaster. I have missed important medical treatment because of lockdown, missed funerals and have worked insanely hard to keep our business going throughout the turmoil. I looked forward to Christmas and seeing my family at last to have a classic Boris U turn at the last minute. I feel emotionally distant from my family and DD now as we live 130 miles apart and so can’t even meet and walk with them. Will I continue to follow the rules of this lockdown? Not for much longer.

@southeastdweller

Good for her. I've had enough of this shite as well.

Have you spoken to her about how you feel?

No, if it was face to face (ha ha) I’d be more inclined to but I know stuff can be misconstrued over texts/facebook and ive no desire to fall out with her.

It’s been interesting to read others opinions on here. I’m surprised so many people agree.

But I get the point someone made earlier. I’m complying with the rules for selfish reasons. I want this to be over with earlier and I’m concerned about the possible consequences of the collapse of the nhs if that happened. I’ve got a chronically ill Dd and a dh who’s nearly 60. I’m worried they may die if they get it.

Maybe If I didn’t have those fears, if I’d done a personal risk assessment and come to a different conclusion then I wouldn’t be complying even though sticking to the rules has got to be better for the wider population and society.

Thank you @VinylDetective . Am glad someone else is switched on to the impacts on our most vulnerable kids.

Last year I was all for strictly keeping to the rules so we could get out of this. I even enjoyed the first lockdown as it meant I didn't have to commute. It's now been nearly a year and my area's been in lockdown virtually all of that time. I'm depressed, my DC are depressed and I don't believe anything the government tells me about it being 'just a little bit longer'. As soon as one person in government says that, another person pops up to say we'll be like this into 2022. They keep chopping and changing and over-promising and under-delivering. They promised the vaccinations for the most vulnerable were the way out, now they're saying that's not the case.

I'll keep wearing a mask and social distancing from the general public but I'm not staying away from my own family past March.

I cba with that question. It’s pointless.

I’m sticking to the rules because the sooner we are out of this the better. Plus I am prepared to make sacrifices for the common good. Hopefully there is enough compliance to compensate for others who don’t care.

You’ve seen the NHS overwhelmed. Covid is the least of your problems if you want an operation or treatment for cancer or you have been in an accident. So sick of seeing people bending rules with spurious reasons or just total
Selfishness. We’ve all got people to see/heartaches to deal with/kids who are struggling but someone always thinks they are special.