Thread 2 - how long will people make these sacrifices

[DappledOliveGroves]

First thread is full.

If anyone has the willpower to continue arguing, please carry on!

Definitely agree with nasty. Oh and the reporting of, and encouraging of others reporting - well that says a lot about someone.

They'd soon be crying if all their income was gone and they were placed into the impossible situation so many people have been. Whole lot of different AIBU threads then.

Nothing to add, just wanted to say how refreshing it is to read well balanced and common sense comments about lockdown. I agree with so much being said whereas usually just bite my tongue in RL!

Thank you for this thread.

Currently attempting to home school a 5 year old and a 7 year old, work a part time job from home and somehow keep my own business afloat. I am a wedding photographer. It is illegal for me to go to work, and I know I'm lucky to have got a pt job I can do from home. Due to having some other form of part time work until mid 2018, I have been ineligible for all government grants, as have most of my industry contacts. We are an industry massively run by women working part time in order to juggle childcare. We lost last year and this year is looking shite too. But to raise these concerns is often met with insults and labels of being selfish.

This is so miserable for so many. I'm done. I'll wear a mask in the supermarket but thats the extent of my compliance now. I know 3 people who committed suicide last year, and I'd have had a go myself if I didn't have kids.

These are good threads, aren't they @S12M
It is good that people have, for the most part, been able to question the narrative and express opinions without the usual backlash about being covidiots, selfish, conspiracy theorists and the like.
I for one, have welcomed these threads.

Completely agree with the sentiments expressed on this thread.
If this lockdown doesn't lift in the near future (but not only lift- we need a plan for the future which doesn't involve further lockdowns even if the vaccines don't work as well as hoped), I think there's very little hope.
I haven't met anyone in RL who thinks this can go on much longer.

@plonkysaurus I'm so sorry you're been abandoned like that by the government and you are feeling so awful.

I've often thought of the wedding industry as like you say, it's full of female owned small businesses like makeup artists, hair stylists, cake makers, invitation makers and photographers yourself who have spent years building up a business to see it decimated with no end in sight.

I hope you can get some support in real
life to get you through it.

Yesterday we were out for a walk and saw 5yo dd's best friend and her dm (live down the road) and they walked and played together and it was so lovely. Me and the mum have agreed that the girls can play, go to the park and go for walks together. One of us will take them obviously. It's such a relief. I hated keeping her from her friends in the first lockdown, it had been fine since summer as she was seeing her friends and cousins and then had school. But then since this lockdown its been horrible for her, every day she has been asking to go to school/see her cousins/see her friends. That happening yesterday has really made me feel positive, like "yes, we can get through this".

Thanks @hollyangel I had a cry on DH and I'm applying for an additional restrictions grant. Doubtful I'll get anything tbh.

There are so many in my position and worse. It's heartbreaking. I'm actually scared of opening my emails in case it's demands for money!

@Someonetookmyname

There is such a divide in society, and I believe the wedge between people is getting larger and larger each day this goes on

This. Lockdown inequality is a real thing. I genuinely believe any lockdown enthusiast on here should be prepared to give up their homes, life savings and jobs because that is what others are being forced to do. The money could go towards the NHS. Any takers? Didn’t think so. But fine to make others do it.

I understand being scared of covid. It’s human. But people need to admit they’re being selfish by wanting a lockdown. They should admit “I’m scared of dying and am happy for others to bankrupt themselves and for children to go hungry and suffer irrevocable mental health damage, to mitigate against the minuscule risk of my death”.

It would make a refreshing change from virtue signalling about saving lives whilst turning to a blind eye to the thousands being ruined.

This is so, so true.

I loathe lockdown with every single fibre of my being. It has ruined me. My youngest child (17), who has a history of MH problems, had started to make progress. Now she is back at the bottom of the pit. There is no support, no school, no friendship network (because, let's face it, online conversation is shit compared to real teenage messing around together). I do my best, but I am worried and angry because I have lost my job and my entire income with it. I also have a chronic condition which has gone untreated for over a year, "due to lockdown".

@MynephewR

Yesterday we were out for a walk and saw 5yo dd's best friend and her dm (live down the road) and they walked and played together and it was so lovely. Me and the mum have agreed that the girls can play, go to the park and go for walks together. One of us will take them obviously. It's such a relief. I hated keeping her from her friends in the first lockdown, it had been fine since summer as she was seeing her friends and cousins and then had school. But then since this lockdown its been horrible for her, every day she has been asking to go to school/see her cousins/see her friends. That happening yesterday has really made me feel positive, like "yes, we can get through this".

I’ve had a good day today. Don’t normally do an awful lot in winter , too cold. Had lots of visitors which is really cheering. Then I got an email from my friend in Tenerife asking when we are coming. He’s seen lots of tourists around and wondered why we weren’t there.

I wrote back and told him and felt myself plunging back down.
Last week another friend died.
I had a phone call from his dd tonight to invite me to the funeral.
Thanks to the covid restrictions and being unable to visit until the end
And although the hospital fought for his life, the family were unable to provide the emotional support to help him to fight back.

And no, it wasn’t covid but it was definitely related to covid.

Well said
Someone took my name

We’ve been well and truly played.., mind controlled whatever you want to call it and it’s time to stop
Switch off tv, the news, move away from social media.
So much proper gander is coming through the brainwash box and people are soaking it up like sponges without applying any critical thinking.

www.coronababble.com/post/how-the-mean-psychologists-induced-us-to-comply-with-coronavirus-restrictions?fbclid=IwAR1aYqVWiPB0zVaPSv1p2kF-xc_CoWkp7vt_AqkBMk_OEo6Yv83O4_Lapfc

We need to rebuild our communities.

The Netherlands have kicked off big style. They’ve had enough
I definitely don’t condone violence but I understand they’ve had enough of the bs

And will the UK follow the WHO guidance on the cycles of the PCR test. Watch what happens to 'cases' if they do. Suddenly it would become clear that not many of these 'cases' were in fact 'cases'. Then you'll question why on earth have we been imprisoned; our children denied education and socialisation and our economy gone to the dogs. For what exactly?

@TheKeatingFive

I think we all have a responsibility to each other to do what we can to slow this disease.

I have a six year old who’s receiving virtually no schooling, is isolated from his peers and is being ignored for great swathes of the day because his parents have to work to keep a roof over his head.

I’m aware many are being put in worse positions.

Who is showing ‘responsibility’ to him and his needs? You can’t expect people who are being thrown under the bus by society to go above and beyond to help it out. You’ve already lost them.

Yes , totally and you must do whatever YOU feel is right for him and your family.

Everyone has gone above and beyond the call of duty and it’s time to stop sacrifice ourselves and our families.

@Pootle40

And will the UK follow the WHO guidance on the cycles of the PCR test. Watch what happens to 'cases' if they do. Suddenly it would become clear that not many of these 'cases' were in fact 'cases'. Then you'll question why on earth have we been imprisoned; our children denied education and socialisation and our economy gone to the dogs. For what exactly?

I’ve said this from day 1 The pcr test was never intended to be used in this way. It was a research tool to be used in the labs according to its inventor kary mullis.

@TheKeatingFive

What I cannot tolerate, what is making me so fucking angry is the government's complete failure to acknowledge the strain they are putting on parents, the impact on families and the mental health strain this is causing

Exactly

Yes, all we hear is give a bit more, and give a bit more You can’t keep squeezing the lemon Indefinitely , there’s not an endless supply of juice.

We’ve been squeezed dry and we’ve nothing left to give.
They will ignore this at their peril

To the people saying about other operations being cancelled/delayed. I get where you are coming from. But if come out of lockdown and let the virus run riot, the NHS will have even less capacity to carry out operations plus have all the issues associated with long covid months and years down the line.
Sadly this is the lesser of two very horrific evils.

My most loathed word of lockdown is 'resilient'. Amazing how easy it is to be resilient when you have secure, adequate housing, are still employed and no disabilities. So many people seem to think their ability to cope with and support of lockdown is due to some kind of personal virtue, rather than it being a sign of their immense privilege.

I agree with what the vast majority are saying on here. It’s refreshing to read. I’ve had enough. I work in mental health and I have had enough.

@MadameBlobby

I watched the programme about Katie Price and Harvey. At the beginning of the programme there was a reminder that some people are mask exempt. So the fact that the BBC felt the need to put that caveat in at the beginning is surely an acknowledgement that mask exemption hatred is a thing.

I found the Governments behaviour in the run up to Christmas psychologically abusive. I find the new advertising campaign psychologically abusive.

The ASA have insisted that an ad citing that joggers have Covid 19 be pulled. And they are also considering ads involving supermarket trolleys and takeaway coffee.
www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/government-pulls-ad-states-joggers-highly-likely-covid-19/1705305

Unless E.on pull their finger out and sort out the security breach thats causing pre pay customers electric to be cut off, a lot of people will have to break lockdown and move in with relatives.

Self employed. Lost half my income overnight, busy as anything educating two kids makes it hard to gain new work. Angry at lack of support for many self employed yes. Angry about lockdowns ? Yes and no. I understand they’re need every right now and both times before. I wish we’d done them sooner.

I’m angry about lockdowns because Covid sceptic deniers keep pushing easings that lead to more infection and more lockdowns.

Theirs making this worse for all of us.

[quote MercyBooth]I found the Governments behaviour in the run up to Christmas psychologically abusive. I find the new advertising campaign psychologically abusive.

The ASA have insisted that an ad citing that joggers have Covid 19 be pulled. And they are also considering ads involving supermarket trolleys and takeaway coffee.
www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/government-pulls-ad-states-joggers-highly-likely-covid-19/1705305[/quote]
I agree,

The curious thing is they’re psychologically abusive on both sides,

Gaslighting and lies about school and transmission in Children.

Gaslighting and lies about the public spreading it.

A pattern of blame, denial and u turns.

Their main plan is to turn is against each other. They target both sides.

Yep exactly Cheesecats, because when everyone's busy bickering amongst themselves and blaming each other, they're not looking at the bigger picture. It suits the government very well.

@skeptile

My most loathed word of lockdown is 'resilient'. Amazing how easy it is to be resilient when you have secure, adequate housing, are still employed and no disabilities. So many people seem to think their ability to cope with and support of lockdown is due to some kind of personal virtue, rather than it being a sign of their immense privilege.

You are right. I consider myself very privileged. With a smaller home, no garden, ill health, money worries or any number of other situations I know lockdown for me would have been much worse. I can't even begin to comprehend how bad this is for some people and I know that.