If the vaccines do not work and lockdown isn't working

[RosieLemonade]

What happens now?
Will this actually be my child's life? Nothing but walks outside the house? I feel emotional but is this truly it now?

@ThePricklySheep thank you!

What is the immunity percentage ?

@WiseUpJanetWeiss

You’re the one making the claim of certainty so you need to provide the evidence.

I already know. You're the one with doubts. I don't need to prove anything to an anonymous person on a forum.

[quote DecemberSun]@WiseUpJanetWeiss

You’re the one making the claim of certainty so you need to provide the evidence.

I already know. You're the one with doubts. I don't need to prove anything to an anonymous person on a forum.[/quote]
Bizarre. You do realise that to everyone else on this forum you’re the random internet person making unsubstantiated claims with no evidence? And refusing to back them up makes you look ridiculous.

I expect other people know how to use google. The truth is out there.

You seem to think your opinion of me matters. It doesn't. I don't care whether or not you believe me. Your constant carping on is tedious, it was amusing, now it's just a bore.

@DecemberSun

I expect other people know how to use google. The truth is out there.

You seem to think your opinion of me matters. It doesn't. I don't care whether or not you believe me. Your constant carping on is tedious, it was amusing, now it's just a bore.

@DecemberSun

I expect other people know how to use google. The truth is out there.

You seem to think your opinion of me matters. It doesn't. I don't care whether or not you believe me. Your constant carping on is tedious, it was amusing, now it's just a bore.

I really don’t understand why people come on here making scaremongering claims then refuse to back them up. I can only deduce that such people must get some sick thrill from pushing already fragile people over the edge. The mind truly boggles

It certainly feels like this is never ending, please ignore all the horrible women here who never have anything nice or supportive to say, who seem to be incapable of kindness or compassion. Its hard to stay up beat and normal to feel all kinds of anxiety in these times. The more stress we experience the more likely we are to negatively forecast the future, try to keep focus on as many positives as possible. Be well x

Can't believe a word. It's worrying, no leadership but no use panicking. A way forward may emerge, otherwise we will get used to it.

@DecemberSun

I expect other people know how to use google. The truth is out there.

You seem to think your opinion of me matters. It doesn't. I don't care whether or not you believe me. Your constant carping on is tedious, it was amusing, now it's just a bore.

I can Google just fine. All of these articles say that we don’t yet know whether the vaccines can prevent infection and/or prevent transmission.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/19/pfizer-vaccine-may-prevent-transmission-coronavirus-others-israeli/

www.politico.eu/article/can-vaccines-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus/

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00140-w

Patrick Vallance said tonight that we don’t yet know. However you know for certain, but you can’t possibly share your superior knowledge?

OP came on here looking for reassurance yet you decided to plop on her thread with your unsubstantiated claims. Why would you do that?

Please do some proper research about the vaccine. Things people say on mumsnet shouldn’t be enough to panic you into thinking life as we know it is over.

@RosieLemonade

People on here said they are only 33 per cent effective and the papers are reporting infection rates aren't falling. I understand the lag for the death rates.

people on here who have said this are wrong.

@anwensmummy

Please do some proper research about the vaccine. Things people say on mumsnet shouldn’t be enough to panic you into thinking life as we know it is over.

The last sentence is really good advice (for everything - not just COVID ). The problem is it’s difficult to know whether your source of information is good or not.

@RosieLemonade

I think owe you an apology for having an argument with another poster on your thread.

I looked back on your posts and I think you are most definitely not wrong to be upset and afraid, and to seek reassurance. I think (hope) you’re wrong that this is it forever - we do have vaccines and they will work - but goodness knows these are scary times.

Lockdown is working. The vaccine works too. Try not to spiral. Things are bad enough without imagining them worse.

If only we had a competent government...

At this stage we should be vaccinating 24/7, have a working track and trace in place, quarantine hotels at airports (so that travellers isolate where they can be monitored rather than disappear), crack down on employers that force their staff to travel to work when their job could be done from home and financial support for those who need to isolate.

Not to mention trying to expend the NHS capacity. I don't understand why government has not forced private hospitals for example to join the fight and take some of the pressure from the NHS. If we are fighting a war everyone needs to pitch in...

instead we have a PM who does not have a plan.

The vaccines do seem to offer some protection but these lockdowns can't go on for much longer.

If it turns out they can' t fight the mutation I am afraid it will be time to get on with it and like the Spanish Flu, hope it will burn itself out. I don't think this country will stand lockdowns for very much longer no matter what.

I live in London and did my usual hour of exercise today and frankly I was truly surprised by how many people were out and about, some very obviously spending time with groups/people other than one household and mixing. This lockdown is not going to hold and certainly not once we get to the Spring and the weather improves. Ministers have 2 months at most to improve after that they will have lost people's good will and compliance.

@DecemberSun

I expect other people know how to use google. The truth is out there.

You seem to think your opinion of me matters. It doesn't. I don't care whether or not you believe me. Your constant carping on is tedious, it was amusing, now it's just a bore.

You sound bad.

My thought is, if the vaccine doesn't work or if the uptake in younger people is extreamly low, and we aren't locking down properly. Then it will just continue, we'll be like the pandemic in 1917, it'll be three years or so till it's better. So I guess we can all get onboard, or just carry on as normal, as many more people die, the NHS collapses from lack of nurses and doctors as they too will get sick and it'll take longer for it to go away.

@PurpleDaisies

I shall research further but surely that didn't happen during the Spanish flu pandemic? Wasn't it herd immunity that did the trick?

Natural herd immunity will kill millions.

Heard immunity won’t work as you can get reinfected with this buggering virus.

I live in London and did my usual hour of exercise today and frankly I was truly surprised by how many people were out and about

Was Matt Hancock among them again ... ?

@RosieLemonade

I'm sorry that you're feeling like this, but don't listen to what "a MN person posted" or anyone else on social media for that matter. Do your own research. Vaccines have between 50 - 80 % efficacy with one dose ( Pfizer, Oxford & Moderna respectively). The Israeli 33% efficacy has been disputed (not to say that we shouldn't have the 2nd doses sooner, rather than the "Tory protocol").

Infection rates are sharply decreasing and we're at about R 0.8 average nationally. This is encouraging news for lockdown. Yes, death rates are grim, but the drop in infection numbers should help with this.

People are/ will lose their livelihoods, once the trickle of the lockdowns have fully filtered through to businesses. Maybe next year, maybe two years.Government borrowing will have to inevitably be paid back. I think that will put a hold on opening new hospitals and paying for treatments and research.
Some children’s education will be curtailed so much that they won’t all fully catch up.
Yes covid sadly kills people, but I think the long term economic/ social and health effects will outnumber those that died of covid.
I acknowledge that there will be some people who won’t really be effected by lockdown, wealthy people and people who have retired early with good health.
who can afford to sit in their nice houses and gardens all day.
I know people that are selling their houses in London and moving to places such as the West Country , ultimately pushing house prices up and forcing local people out of buying homes in their own area.
Despite the optimism bullshit Boris may say, I think that millions of jobs will go as a result of this, over the next 5 years or so.

@Hearwego You're so right: by the time the economic shit hits the fan, and millions are unemployed, Saint Boris will be long gone; that's probably one reason he's not worried about it. He might even resign as soon as that reality starts to rear its ugly head, so that it's no longer his problem. He's wielding an axe of destruction on a scale of which Margaret Thatcher could only have dreamed.

I know someone who is a pharmacist and has already had her first vaccine. Her family contracted covid recently, they were affected by it, but she didn't develop any symptoms. ( This was her 2nd time contracting the virus and first time round it was quite bad for her)
Even the small percentage is better than nothing.
I just think instead of waiting 10-12weeks for the 2nd dose, get all the vulnerables vaccinated properly, with both doses, before getting the rest of the population who are less vulnerable vaccinated.

I think you're being really dramatic and a bit scaremongering. Not sure if this is intentional or anxiety.