School staff ARE more at risk from contracting COVID than the general population- according to data released by the DfE yesterday.

[Feenie]

neu.org.uk/press-releases/impact-covid-school-workforce?fbclid=IwAR2ayf6jFbhEMcpICBffM5daowz8tdrIs77bqyCKFQHWaKB109Z1TktZXEk

Data that contradicts continual assurances that were still being given as late as yesterday by Dr Jenny Harries to the Education Select Committee.

@lizardwar the vaccinations are not licensed for children at the moment so your scenario won't work

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

Thid data had bern posted several times , and we need better data comparing to other professions not against the whole population. Are they more at risk than nhs - doubtful , more than poilce, shopworker's It needs to be better data , trouble with data is it can be used to show what people want if you don't use it all. None of us are stupid and it's obvious teachers will be up there , due to nature of job.

It’s not the point. The reason this has been done is because teaching is the only profession where the government fall over themselves to say it’s safe. Mass indoor gathering, with no PPE, against all government advice.

It’s really not that difficult a concept to understand.

Safer schools will benefit everyone.

It is an urgent matter to protect the safety of teachers, staff, students and parents BEFORE the children go back.

All the teachers I know in real life are not like this , insisting they will only go back when safe ( impossible for anywhere to be safe) all nursery workers are still working they get even closer.
The word covid safe was always a silly phrase , covid measures in place would been a better phrase .
Its all most of us have at work.
A better graph would be one that shows all professions .

@donewithitalltodayandxmas

All the teachers I know in real life are not like this , insisting they will only go back when safe ( impossible for anywhere to be safe) all nursery workers are still working they get even closer. The word covid safe was always a silly phrase , covid measures in place would been a better phrase . Its all most of us have at work. A better graph would be one that shows all professions .

Try to hide your teacher hatred a little more.

Every teacher wants schools fully open to all. All teachers are in work. They realise that by allowing COVID to rip through schools, well they close. They also know they are being lied to day in day out.

It’s not difficult to understand, really.

@unmarkedbythat

OP, I think noblegiraffe posted this the first day it came out so possibly if you AS her you'll find that thread?

Nope, this is different to the data I posted. This is based on DfE staff absence data which was only released yesterday (and is why the graph doesn’t contain shop workers or taxi drivers etc because the DfE don’t collect data on their attendance at work).

I am not sure, having looked at the attendance data, how the NEU have put together these graphs and I would like to see their working as it is not clear what they have done.

What is obvious is that the government needs to release proper, validated data on the risk to all professions so that we are not having to do ad-hoc analyses of less suitable data.

Especially as they are having experts going on the radio and referring to out of date occupation data from last May to justify choices around vaccine rollout. This is unacceptable.

@Itisasecret I am also aware teachers are working in schools all though a lot are wfh as well , as I have a lot of teacher friends so I know what they are doing.
Its impossible to open up completely safe , you can introducie mask wearing and hope that helps .

Oh- apologies, I thought this was the same data. Thank you for clearing that up :)

Oh great, the usual comments about teacher hatred have started. I'm hiding this, I cannot be doing with another polarised "you hate teachers" "no, you hate doing your job!" farce.

The word covid safe was always a silly phrase , covid measures in place would been a better phrase

And an explanation of why schools are exempt from the covid measures that apply to other workplaces should have been forthcoming, backed by evidence that their lack is not an issue.

We can see from what happened in schools just before Christmas that the lack of mitigation measures in schools was a disaster for education.

Does anyone know why teachers aren’t an absolute priority for the vaccine? I still struggle that a dental hygienist will have already got one (dentists I understand but is seeing a dental hygienist really an emergency in a lockdown?) yet teachers haven’t? It’s so crucial this becomes a priority.

Oh here we go again

I really wish the government would vaccinate all teachers immediately just to bloody stop all of this.

Because vaccinating teachers won’t re-open schools.

The govt don’t give a toss about teachers catching covid, they’ve not given them any protection so far so why would they start now?

A graph with all professions should be available this then backs up how we look at vaccination roll out after we do maybe over 60's.
Don't we all what to see vaccinations go to who ever seems most at risk?
All i see daily is teachers should be first, poilce officers should be , then shop workers , then firefighTers depending on who is posting.
Where as if we had the data shown to us we could all agree , I personally believe teachers will be right at the top and happy for them to have one before me ( several factors that put me at higher risk to covid ) but think if data is posted then we all can clearly see and the vaccinations roll outs will make more sense, after we do the ages that most likely need hospitalisation.

@unmarkedbythat

OP, I think noblegiraffe posted this the first day it came out so possibly if you AS her you'll find that thread?

It 'came out' from the DFE only yesterday - and analysis was posted by the NEU at 5pm yesterday.

The government have known this for much longer - but continued to lie.

@sundowners I think for some dental hygienists help stop some dental conditions getting worse and keep mouth healthy.
What we all forget is the government make the decisions on vaccine based on medical people, and what they are being told.
They don't look at helping the individual risk its more about what helps population as a whole.

@sundowners

Sorry OP - you’ve not had the result you’ve wanted. You’ve not had the working parents amongst us, particularly the parents of primary age kids - currently all going stir crazy - all suddenly change our minds and agree that keeping schools off is a good thing. Next-

The result I 'wanted' - see title - was for posters to acknowledge that the public are being lied to. Repeatedly.

Are you disputing that?

@hamstersarse

Oh here we go again

I really wish the government would vaccinate all teachers immediately just to bloody stop all of this.

Or maybe they could withdraw shite like this and admit they were wrong?

I don’t recall seeing government messaging like this about other professions. Why should teachers not point out that it’s bollocks?

Safe schools means they will be open so everyone gets what they want. Teachers want schools open and this is the best way to achieve it.

I wonder about that discrepancy between special school TAs and teachers. I work in a primary special school and the teachers have just as much contact with pupils and other staff as TAs. Yes, we might do a bit more personal care, but teachers do still do that as well - I don't understand how it can be so much more? I assume it's not done on just raw numbers of infections, as obviously there are far more TAs than teachers, but then robust statistics don't seem to be the NEU's strong point!

Also agree that this data is a bit useless as it compares us to the general population, many of whom will be working from home, stay at home parents, shielding etc. Where is the data to how we compare specifically with other jobs with lots of people contact eg. NHS, police, supermarkets, factories? I guess that data probably isn't as 'shocking'.

I guess what it does accurately show is that staff in special schools are most 'at risk' out of all schools.

@noblegiraffe the only way they can do that is to show us all the data from all professions
Stupid thing to say as no one who goes to work is completely safe from this virus.
The use of covid safe was always stupid , I was working in a covid safe office as a temp? If one of us had covid it would likely of ripped through all of us. Yet it just about hit covid safe measures.
Also if this is data about absence? Is that also teachers off due to self isolating? Or is it those that tested positve.

I think it's interesting that TAs and support staff are higher risk than teachers according to this data and yet in many schools right now teachers are working and teaching from home while TAs and supposed staff are the ones in school supporting the keyworker children.

I am all for providing additional measures, I think my DDs primary school have done a fantastic job, the SLT support mask wearing for anyone who wants to do it and enforce mask wearing for all parents at pick up/drop off. Strict controls are in place to make sure only 1 person is allowed in the office/reception area at one time and the staff have a Perspex screen to separate from any visitors. Each individual class is a bubble and they are kept completely separate from all other bubbles which means the few cases we have had have been able to isolate a small group and stop the spread.

I do not agree that teachers should be prioritised above vulnerable people for the vaccine. The vaccine is being given to those more likely to die of Covid first, teachers may be more likely to contract Covid but unless they are also vulnerable they are not more likely than anyone else to die of it. The CEV and vulnerable groups need to be first, this will include any teachers, TAs and support staff that meet those criteria.

The data refers to confirmed cases.