Can someone talk me into the vaccine?

[Cassie6]

Embarrassed to even be writing this. I work for the bloody NHS for gods sake. My children have had all their vaccinations. I'm really not anti vax in the slightest and I'm surprised that I feel this way but I'm really scared to get the vaccine.

I'm scared because there's no knowledge of if anything could happen long term after having it, 15+ years down the line? Like there have been no long term studies? Can someone with a bit more knowledge explain to me if this is actually a thing?

I've seen it explained on here to people countless times that it hasn't been rushed there's just not been the waiting time there usually is with vaccine development and I understand that but I still feel uneasy about the long term effects.

In my mind my children and I are at such a low risk of being seriously ill that there's not much point having it when it could go wrong. However working in the NHS this is not the attitude and I'm so miserable living in lockdown after lockdown I know I need to do my bit.

So can someone convince me. Can someone explain logically what I'm getting wrong and unnecessarily anxious about?

I am skeptical about the vaccines as there isnt a universal one at the moment and following trials in south Africa, UK and brazil all of sudden we have various different strains which could render the current vaccines ineffective.
There is also no data on the effects on fertility so for the meantime I will wait at least another year or so if I can before I took the vaccine. They are still learning about the virus and right now I am not comfortable. I am also suspicious that at the beginning of the pandemic the initial response was that a vaccine was needed before anyone even knew what it was. The dithering and the delay plus the multiple u-turn by the government doesent give me confidence with the vaccines at present.

Are they vaccinating as per the manufacturer protocol again, or the delayed method for dose 2?

@Cassie6 I’m going to go against the grain here...I’m not going to try to persuade you. If you don’t want it right now, say no. It’s not like you have any patient contact. Any other admin assistant would be bottom of the list and have to wait. Let other people take your turn instead.

I’m not going to try to persuade anyone to have the vaccine unless they are friends and family
Because lockdown is making me selfish
I want my vaccine ASAP
I want to hug my nearest and dearest.
I want to go on holiday.
I want my kids back at school.
The more people in the queue ahead of me who say no, the faster I will get my vaccination.

HTH

It’s the only way out of the pandemic.
Vaccine needs to be taken up by a large percentage of the population level to be effective. It’s not about individuals.
You work in NHS, it’ll mean you are protected from getting unwell and going off on sick leave. The NHS is vastly under staffed at present.
The virus is unpredictable in its effects on individuals, and, if you’re not vaccinated, it may make you very unwell (such that you need hospital admission).
I’ve had mine, and I see it no differently to having a flu vaccine every year.
I work in the NHS and consider it’s my duty to be vaccinated.

@independent98 you understand that there's no data on the effects of the virus on fertility either? It's so weird that people would worry about one but not the other.

The bmj doesn’t say why those people - all over 75 - died from the side effects??

Basically, you don'know how you or your children will react to covid, if you get it. There are reports of long term damage, and it's not known for how long.

Comparatively, the vaccine is a much lower risk for your health than covid. Even taking into account the risk of you catching covid at some point.

@independent98

I am skeptical about the vaccines as there isnt a universal one at the moment and following trials in south Africa, UK and brazil all of sudden we have various different strains which could render the current vaccines ineffective. There is also no data on the effects on fertility so for the meantime I will wait at least another year or so if I can before I took the vaccine. They are still learning about the virus and right now I am not comfortable. I am also suspicious that at the beginning of the pandemic the initial response was that a vaccine was needed before anyone even knew what it was. The dithering and the delay plus the multiple u-turn by the government doesent give me confidence with the vaccines at present.

So many misunderstandings on this post!

The reason why there isn't a universal vaccine is because many groups were trying to come out with one. And they have limited manufacturing capacity, so we need all the vaccines we can have. The approved ones have all shown similar degrees of efficacy, so it won't matter which one we take in terms of being protected.
So, lack of a universal vaccine is not a bad thing and it certainly isn't a factor against vaccination.

The studies done on the new virus strains have shown that the vaccines will still be effective. There is no correlation between emergence of the new strains and the trials. The trials took place in high transmission regions, so that we'd have enough people exposed and thus efficacy results very quickly. The new strains are also more likely to emerge when there are high numbers of infections

We knew what was causing the new pandemic way before there was talk of a vaccine or even before it became a pandemic. The entire genome had already been sequenced when it was still only mainly in China, fgs. And that was early January 2020.

Yes, we do not know the effects on fertility, but we also don't know the effects of the disease on fertility.

Even the UK government hasn't had multiple U turns on the vaccine. Vaccines are one thing most governments have been consistent about.
We need it to control this pandemic. Or you'll be facing years of lockdowns and serious economic hardship.

If anything medical happens to me 15 years from now I wouldn't know if it was from a vaccine or from absorbing so much hand gel or from not getting enough exercise or from eating cheap chicken or air pollution or a million other things.

So I don't see 'long term side effect' as a thing worth bothering my brain over.

Watch the video of the Marsh family singing "Have the new jab' to the tune of 'Hallelujah' on tube:
Https:youtu.be/ZnbOKH9Oe9s

It is very unlikely the vaccine will be ineffective to the new strains. Because the vaccine works against the spike protein that enables the virus to enter a human. The likelihood of a strain that buggers up that spike protein so it looks completely different, being able to transmit faster is very low. In other words if a mutation happens to that spike protein it will likely make it less able to enter a human so that mutation will die out. The spike protein is likely to remain intact in those strains that are able to propagate faster.

Haven’t they found damage to the lungs of people that had Covid asymptomaticly? Meaning you didn’t get severely ill or didn’t even feel ill but there are long terms consequences anyway?

Check out MedCram, a fantastic resource of videos discussing all things covid, including vaccines

m.youtube.com/user/MEDCRAMvideos/videos

Oh I do despair. Anyone refusing for no medical reason should be isolating until there’s no more covid (if ever) so they don’t spread it nor catch it and become a drain on society if they need nhs treatment for it when they turn down the opportunity for a vaccine. Selfish covidiots

Trust your instincts. I am not anti vax, I have them before. I am not getting it because I read the gov website and it said if you are immunocompromised you should speak to your GP before you get the vaccine as there is no data on how the vaccine will effect you. I thought if there is no safety data how can the GP advise me? Why should I take the risk of having this vaccine - especially as I take an amber medication and they have not carried out interaction studies yet.

I do not trust the media or government to fully publicise side effects data. I suggest people do their own research and make the decision themselves.

The messenger vaccine has NEVER been used before. I do not want to be experimented on, nor should I be emotionally blackmailed or pressured for feeling this way.

You aren’t being experimented on 😂

What gets me is the people screaming hoax and desperate to get out but will not take the vaccine 🤦🏼‍♀️

@Fembot123

You aren’t being experimented on 😂

See you laugh but there is no safety data for immunocompromised people. There is no data re drug interactions. Animal trials were skipped. The mRNA vaccine has NEVER been used before.

I'd call that an experiment. But enlighten me - what do you call it?

% of Trust your instincts.
Thats the worst advice ever. Instincts are just based on your own experience, so if you constantly read antivax stuff then your instinct will tell you having a vaccine is wrong

I do not trust the media or government to fully publicise side effects data. I suggest people do their own research and make the decision themselves.
Again most people dont actually know where to do that "research" Usually when you ask someone where they have done their research it is some antivax site

Most peoples arguments against this vaccine are very dunning-kruger like because they just dont realise how little they know about they subject.

I suggest people do their own research and make the decision themselves.

How, exactly?
Research on what? Should they pick 40 000 volunteers and inject the vaccine or a placebo and then see what the side effects are? Oh, wait...

Ffs, we've had reports of trials being halted and there is comprehensive data on the side effects from the ACTUAL TRIALS.
The vaccines have been through the scrutiny that all other vaccines get. Just with more people in high transmission settings.

Your own research is NOT asking your neighbours or watching youtube videos!

There will always be people for which the vaccine might not be advisable. Fine. Don't take it, as you may not be advised to take others.

For the vast majority of people, though, it's safe to take.

Research is done at the lab bench. Not on the internet no matter how proficient the googler

@Lweji

I suggest people do their own research and make the decision themselves.

How, exactly?
Research on what? Should they pick 40 000 volunteers and inject the vaccine or a placebo and then see what the side effects are? Oh, wait...

Ffs, we've had reports of trials being halted and there is comprehensive data on the side effects from the ACTUAL TRIALS.
The vaccines have been through the scrutiny that all other vaccines get. Just with more people in high transmission settings.

Your own research is NOT asking your neighbours or watching youtube videos!

As I said in my post the issue with immunocompromised people came from the UK gov website. So that might be a good place for people to start. The document I was referring to was called Information for people receiving the vaccine - something like that, there were 2 and the other was for those administering the vaccine.

You're assuming I am asking neighbours or watching youtube videos. Why when I had mentioned in the post that I read the gov website?

@Zippy1510

Research is done at the lab bench. Not on the internet no matter how proficient the googler

Well, sometimes it is on the Internet. But it involves looking at actual scientific articles, databases of data, or online analytical tools.

Or it follows the scientific method: for example, research on the propagation of disinformation on youtube.

@Lweji

I suggest people do their own research and make the decision themselves.

How, exactly?
Research on what? Should they pick 40 000 volunteers and inject the vaccine or a placebo and then see what the side effects are? Oh, wait...

Ffs, we've had reports of trials being halted and there is comprehensive data on the side effects from the ACTUAL TRIALS.
The vaccines have been through the scrutiny that all other vaccines get. Just with more people in high transmission settings.

Your own research is NOT asking your neighbours or watching youtube videos!

I totally agree.