Can someone talk me into the vaccine?

[Cassie6]

Embarrassed to even be writing this. I work for the bloody NHS for gods sake. My children have had all their vaccinations. I'm really not anti vax in the slightest and I'm surprised that I feel this way but I'm really scared to get the vaccine.

I'm scared because there's no knowledge of if anything could happen long term after having it, 15+ years down the line? Like there have been no long term studies? Can someone with a bit more knowledge explain to me if this is actually a thing?

I've seen it explained on here to people countless times that it hasn't been rushed there's just not been the waiting time there usually is with vaccine development and I understand that but I still feel uneasy about the long term effects.

In my mind my children and I are at such a low risk of being seriously ill that there's not much point having it when it could go wrong. However working in the NHS this is not the attitude and I'm so miserable living in lockdown after lockdown I know I need to do my bit.

So can someone convince me. Can someone explain logically what I'm getting wrong and unnecessarily anxious about?

@lightand other parts of my post made clear I was talking about side affects which didn’t present until years later. I specifically talked about the risk of severe side affects which were long-term, but that those usually presented themselves quickly rather than years later.

Interesting that you only cherry picked that one part of my post out of context.

@Cassie6 the vaccines your children have had won’t have likely been used for 15years before they had them and you were fine with them.
If you are NHS then you will know how many of your colleagues are off with long covid. They have no answers as to if they’ll be able to work again or live a normal life again. They were for and well like you. Why risk that? Just walking into work is covid soup in the corridor, unless you’re wearing an FFP3 from the car door you’re being exposed every dsy

The mRNA technology used in the other 2 vaccines was already 10 years old in 2018, long before covid emerged. As you can see from this article in Nature in 2018 www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243

The doom-mongering about covid vaccines being new, and untested, and omg how did they produce it SOOOOO quickly by people with no scientific or medical knowledge is really starting to get old, as it is such easily provable bollox.

@Frazzledmum55

Think I'd rather take my chances with the vaccine than with Covid.

See I don’t necessarily feel this way. I’m pretty confident I’d recover from covid perfectly well as that’s what all evidence suggests. There’s no evidence about long term vaccine effects.

See I don't understand this at all. All the vaccine does is create immunity to the spike protein of the virus. If you have covid you create the same immunity to the spike protein plus potentially to different parts of the virus plus you run the risk of the virus causing cardiac damage, lung damage, neurological damage (many of these are seen in patients who had "mild" covid and recovered "perfectly well") plus to risk of long-term fatigue and potentially being off work for weeks- months.
If there were any long-term effects from the vaccine they would probably be from the immunity generated (perhaps an extremely low chance of cross reaction of T cells or antibodies with normal tissue) and those risks would also be there with natural covid infection (as this also has the spike protein) plus all the other possible risks.

I understand it's difficult to appreciate this without immunological knowledge and this is why people are afraid of the vaccines. Perhaps it's worth doing some reading on how the immune system works.

Common sense[yes that old fashioned word] says that there has not been enough time passed yet[how can there have been, takes two years I think] to find out long term effects, of yes, a vaccine that is new in the meaning of, it isnt a precise vaccine that has been in use for years elsewhere, anywhere in the world.

So, untried and untested long term.

@nether

One of the great successes of the Russian troll factories

I read research from a variety of sources, I'm not influenced by trolls

Therefore safe in very unwell patients

I would assume the level of risk one would be willing to take if faced with terminal cancer is different than if you are say a healthy young individual

Why do people assume that because someone works for the NHS that they have the pick of professional to discuss their vaccine concerns with?
Many of us are working at home on our own. Many of us don't work in hospitals where you might have more access to people with appropriate knowledge. And there is a subtle pressure and expectation that all NHS staff will gladly have the vaccine. One poster was ignored by her NHS colleague because she didn't want it. Maybe that's why NHS staff don't want to discuss at work!

Have you thought about asking one of your more intelligent colleagues, OP? A doctor for example?

@Dyrne
Not out of context at all.
And what use is "usually presented themselves quickly"?
Dont want them at all thanks, quick or not.

Where on earth are you getting the idea there are 'long term affects' from the vaccine?

I can't think of any instances, apart from the very rare vaccine reaction which occurs immediately, of long term affects of vaccines?

It's a vaccine e which creates antibodies, which probably last a year. What can happen in 5 years? We grow a second head?

My children 6 and 3 have had different vaccines as there are new ones that the 6 year old didn't get, meningitis being one of them. I think I read that they change vaccines they give to babies all the time as new ones become available.

@Cassie6

What NHS role do you have? Is it one that involves appraising evidence?

I read research from a variety of sources, I'm not influenced by trolls

Please read my entire paragraph

One of the great successes of the Russian troll factories (see WHO and other publications on this) is the turning of antivaccine propaganda into something that seems like acceptable 'hesitancy'.Please be very careful about sources on which feed anxiety - they are not necessarily the trolls, but you can see from the echoes of what they say that they have come under the influence of such posters at some point

They are not waving big flags saying 'I'm a troll'. They are havinga very pernicious effect.

BTW If you have done your research, then presumably you understand the MHRA's position in full? In what aspects do you think they have erred?

Very unlikely as has been posted that it will have long term effects.

a different lighthearted perspective, millions probably billions of people are going to have it, even "if" it did have a risk of long term effects you might as well join the party based on how life would be with so many effected.

Doesn’t this thread just highlight that there feels no ‘safe’ space to discuss concerns over vaccines - without pp insinuating that you’re not who you say you are...

This is the way I see it but I’m not jumping down anyone’s throat if they’re not going to agree with me. What I’d really like is a statistician to guesstimate the below in numbers...

FOR THE VACCINE:
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1. Risk of dying from COVID (Risk pertains to the individual)
2. Risk of spreading COVID to vulnerable person - huge
3. Risk of long COVID damage (not insignificant; it’s not known as the gift that keeps giving for nothing! Potentially huge).

AGAINST:

1. Unknown unknowns - eg the Pandremix vaccine caused narcolepsy up to 1 yr later
2. Poor history of disclosure of concerns eg) GSK & narcolepsy; same orgs involved in drugs trials where bias is enormous. See - Pharmaceutical co’s getting sued for $ all kinds of dodgy & dangerous shenanigans.
3. Medical govt advisers allowed to mandate vaccines that they also happen to own £600k of shares in vaccine provider...

So for me it’s risk versus trust...

Have the vaccine please, I had a lesser harsh version of Covid and it was horrid. I was ill for a month ! I’m apprehensive about the jab but I’m going to have it because I do not want it again.

@SomersetHamlyn

Gosh, without fail every single day an 'NHS worker' posts a thread on here

I think it's irrelevant who asks the question.

To me, what's worrying is:

.the level or disinformation by many posters on this thread
.how they are so blasé about medical matters (e.g. thinking nothing about vaccinating pregnant women with an emergency-approved vaccine)
.the fact that they want to censor discussion
.and in spite of all these issues, they would probably support these vaccine being made mandatory!!

[quote lightand]@NonagonInfinityOpensTheDoor
But it cant. That is the point.

If some people want to take their chances of it[and 80% in this country are, lower uptake in Europe, UK has the highest uptake I read] up to them. Fair enough.
But for people on here to reckon that the covid vaccines are 100% guaranteed, is reckless talk.[/quote]
There is enough short-term data on the mRNA COVID vaccines and long-term data on other mRNA vaccines to ensure that the scientists and researchers behind this can reach an informed outcome.

It’s funny you talk about reckless talk when you’ve made some rather ubiquitous points up thread “I’ve read somewhere” “I think” ... just as reckless.

@Chickychickydodah

I’m apprehensive about the jab but I’m going to have it because I do not want it again

If you've had confirmed Covid you are likely immune for now. Please read latest research on this

I do understand, my mum was expressing the same concerns and her gut feeling is she will wait to have the Oxford AZ one as it has years of testing (also she has some strange patriotic attachment to it being British). Is it an option to have that one? I've had covid and my gut feeling is that I'm immune so why have the vaccine, I do understand

@NonagonInfinityOpensTheDoor

long-term data on other mRNA vaccines

Which 'other' mRNA vaccines? Can you name them?

Over 44,000 people have already have it, and since its modified from a SARS one that was started a decade or so ago, it's been around long enough. My DIL works for Pfizer, and as an ex-biochemist myself, they know what they're doing. What looks like scary chemicals etc to you, are well known, well tested and well understood compounds to pharmacists. It has been looked over by thousands of expertise the field with decades and decades of experience, and has not been flagged for anything that implicates long term detrimental affects. I cannot stress how knowledgable these people are. They know every component and its biophysical machinations. It would not have been marketed unless it was safe- would these companies really gamble on their reputation with the whole world watching?!

"The effects of the vaccine on the immune system is long term (otherwise, why would you have them?)"

Yes well the vaccine triggers your body to make antibodies (long term ones) that are stored (they have a memory) and then if or when you get COVID they react and fight it...and so you are mostly without symptoms.That's the point of the vaccine.

About three million people have contracted Covid in the UK and tens of thousands have died as a result. Many people who have not died are suffering from long term debilitating conditions as a result of infection.

About three million people have had the vaccine in the UK. No one has died. The vaccines have been developed, trialled and are given as per normal safety protocols.

Don’t be an idiot. Have the vaccine.

@Chesthurtsagain

I agree