Can someone talk me into the vaccine?

[Cassie6]

Embarrassed to even be writing this. I work for the bloody NHS for gods sake. My children have had all their vaccinations. I'm really not anti vax in the slightest and I'm surprised that I feel this way but I'm really scared to get the vaccine.

I'm scared because there's no knowledge of if anything could happen long term after having it, 15+ years down the line? Like there have been no long term studies? Can someone with a bit more knowledge explain to me if this is actually a thing?

I've seen it explained on here to people countless times that it hasn't been rushed there's just not been the waiting time there usually is with vaccine development and I understand that but I still feel uneasy about the long term effects.

In my mind my children and I are at such a low risk of being seriously ill that there's not much point having it when it could go wrong. However working in the NHS this is not the attitude and I'm so miserable living in lockdown after lockdown I know I need to do my bit.

So can someone convince me. Can someone explain logically what I'm getting wrong and unnecessarily anxious about?

Have people purposely come to this thread to spout bollocks?

The Oxford vaccine is a vector-based vaccine. Which have been used for decades.

The other two are mRNA vaccines, newly used in application for vaccines (though been around in research for awhile), been used in cancer treatment for some time.

@trulydelicious
I'm not against these vaccines, by the way, it's just worrying that some keep on repeating statements that are incorrect and dismiss any valid questions/unknowns

This is the first covid thread on mumsnet that I am a bit horrified at.
I am a bit into research[have family members who work in it].

[quote Frazzledmum55]@feelingverylazytoday my kids have never had a new vaccine. They’ve all been around for a long time I think?[/quote]
No they bring new ones out sometimes. In 2015 the UK became the first country to offer vaccination against menigitis B in babies www.gov.uk/government/news/new-study-confirms-success-of-menb-vaccine-in-the-uk
Gardasil was introduced in 2008 and offered to girls aged 12-13, to protect HPV infections.

@saffire

They have adapted a 'base' vaccine which has been around for years

What is this 'base vaccine' you are referring to? Can you name it?

I don’t know if this will help but...
We are talking about a new vaccine, not a new drug. Vaccines are made of ingredients and methods used again and again, so the chance of previously unknown side effects is much smaller.
It is NOT a brand new chemical substance like a drug might be.

As others have said mRNA vaccines have been studied for several years, and while this covid vaccine is “new” it’s been developed with previously studied technology, so the relevant “safety” of it can be ascertained as such.

I read quite a worrying article on the long term neurological affects of covid (elevated risks of neurological decline, dementia, Parkinsons etc) and that worried me more.

@pinbinpin

The other two are mRNA vaccines, newly used in application for vaccines (though been around in research for awhile), been used in cancer treatment for some time

Exactly, genetic cancer treatment, not in vaccines

@Duckyneedsaclean
Like others have said - vaccines don't stay on your system for long - they are broken down by the immune system. This is why vaccines don't have 'long term effects'

I am not picking on you. Several others are saying the same.
Curious as to where you are getting that information from. Facebook? Mumsnet?

I'm 30 with no underlying health problems. I had covid in April and had mild symptoms. However, even now, I get breathless easily and am always tired. DP is even worse.

I would suggest to all those assuming they'll have a mild illness not to underestimate the after effects even if that's the case.

I am wary of the vaccine too, I will admit. However I have decided that if I'm offered it, I will have it. Because I want to do everything I can to make sure people are safe from this.

@trulydelicious

Have people purposely come to this thread to spout bollocks?

Yes. Because that’s what the thread was designed to elicit. Yet another faux wide eyed innocent who just happens to ‘work for the NHS’

The base vaccine for the Oxford one was a MERS vaccine called ChAdOx1. Which why the Oxford vaccine is called ChAdOx2. Both of which use a chimpanzee adenovirus as the vector. Which ha sitslef been used for many years in many vaccines. www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-07-19-the-oxford-covid-19-vaccine

I can't shake my reluctance too. I know the fertility thing has been debunked but with so many different 'facts' out there, can we even trust so called 'fact-checkers'?

Hopefully by the time it gets to me I'll be pregnant/have had a baby so I won't have this dilemma anymore.

Gosh, without fail every single day an 'NHS worker' posts a thread on here saying how uneasy they are about the covid vaccine but for some reason 'can't articulate' why. Amazing coincidence

@NonagonInfinityOpensTheDoor
But it cant. That is the point.

If some people want to take their chances of it[and 80% in this country are, lower uptake in Europe, UK has the highest uptake I read] up to them. Fair enough.
But for people on here to reckon that the covid vaccines are 100% guaranteed, is reckless talk.

I'm an hcp. When the Pfizer vaccine was rolled out at work, I couldn't have it because I'm pregnant. Then the guidance changed so pregnant women can have it, but no more pfizer vaccine was available, so we had to wait a few weeks for the oxford vaccine to be rolled out.

Before that happened, I have caught covid. Got a positive lateral flow test on Monday.
Now I have to wait to wait if I'm going to get seriously ill, or if I develop long covid.

Have the vaccine.

There is a reason MN posts a disclaimer stating that the professional/ medical qualifications of anyone contributing are not known.
Why not go and talk to someone from OH or virology or infectious diseases, as you work in the NHS.
You could read the MHRA report, the clinical trial papers, or watch the many programmes and talks produced by well known doctors and scientists.
I love Mumsnet, but I don't consider the chat boards to be a source of accurate scientific/ medical information.
There have been at least 2 very good programmes on BBC and ITV this week about the vaccines.

Exactly, genetic cancer treatment, not in vaccines

Therefore safe in very unwell patients

The 'base' virus is an attenuated chimpanzee adenovirus, which has been used in one vet vaccine for a few years now.

One of the great successes of the Russian troll factories (see WHO and other publications on this) is the turning of antivaccine propaganda into something that seems like acceptable 'hesitancy'.Please be very careful about sources on which feed anxiety - they are not necessarily the trolls, but you can see from the echoes of what they say that they have come under the influence of such posters at some point.

@lightand

This is the first covid thread on mumsnet that I am a bit horrified at

This one is particularly bad, I don't know why

Others are more informative/balanced

@SomersetHamlyn

Gosh, without fail every single day an 'NHS worker' posts a thread on here saying how uneasy they are about the covid vaccine but for some reason 'can't articulate' why. Amazing coincidence

Yes. They should be deleted. Seeding fear and doubt is part of the misinformation campaign.

I'm scared because there's no knowledge of if anything could happen long term after having it, 15+ years down the line? Like there have been no long term studies? Can someone with a bit more knowledge explain to me if this is actually a thing?
I really dont believe there are any vaccines that have effects that happen 15years + down the line

There are viruses that have effects that show up long term ie Measles and SSP, Chicken pox and shingles, polio and post polio syndrome

I think that people who don’t trust that the vaccine is safe should be free to make the decision not to have it.

Whether that has an impact on any other aspect of their life, such as travel to other countries, is presumably something you would accept as a consequence of exercising your right not to be vaccinated.

Any 'new' vaccine will have to be given to a cohort of people at some time, once approved. Whether it was the introduction of the smallpox vaccine, the MMR, the flu jab.

It's not as though they develop a vaccine, try it on 1000 people or so and then wait 20 years to see if those people have any long-term side effects. Once a vaccine is approved, it's rolled out en masse.

So the fact that the vaccines have had incredible amounts of money thrown at them to be able to develop these in a shorter time frame than usual, doesn't really change things. The usual trials and tests have taken place and they're now approved. So now they get rolled out in the same way as any other vaccine.

[quote trulydelicious]@pinbinpin

The other two are mRNA vaccines, newly used in application for vaccines (though been around in research for awhile), been used in cancer treatment for some time

Exactly, genetic cancer treatment, not in vaccines[/quote]
But the cancer treatment was a vaccine? Or did you mean virus?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26082837/

As was the rabies mRNA vaccine and study
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

@SomersetHamlyn

Gosh, without fail every single day an 'NHS worker' posts a thread on here saying how uneasy they are about the covid vaccine but for some reason 'can't articulate' why. Amazing coincidence

Yes, I'm always a bit surprised why they don't just ask their colleagues!