Page 8 | Pritti Patel now saying we can't walk with another person

whenwillthemadnessend · 2021-01-14T14:00:21+00:00

Anyone see this morning today. In her interview she claimed that we should walk cycle and run alone I understood the rules to allow a walk with one other person. I walk my dog twice a week with a friend. Rest of the time I'm alone with dog on walks and it's the only thing that keeps me sane at the moment. Take that away and I dont think I can cope for much longer. Make the rules clearer ffs!!!

tatutata · 14/01/2021 18:20

I think she was instructed to go on and say something inflammatory. The backlash takes up column inches that would otherwise be dedicated to questions about the future of track & trace. Or why employers get away with making employees switch off the app. I've looked into the tech details (you can find them somewhere on. Gov) , it's perfectly good and has quite intricate parameters to differentiate between a low risk context (eg customer in coffee shop at counter for 30s) and high risk - eg. Your colleagues within 2 metres all day...

TammyHullfigure · 14/01/2021 18:22

@GertrudeKerfuffle

All I can think when I see Pritti Patel is how in the holy fuck does she still have her job?

God knows. But honestly, you could say that about most of them

Williamson, Hancock, Gove, Rees-Mogg...

It would be funny if it weren't so utterly tragic.

Nettleskeins · 14/01/2021 18:33

The legislation says you can meet one other person to exercise Who is not in your household. Social distancing is not even in the legislation when you meet that one other person. Guidance is different from legislation.

So unless they amend the Law, she cannot say people are not allowed to meet one other person for a walk, however close or not they are to each other.

I personally haven't met anyone for a "walk", but if I'm walking my dog, I wouldn't hesitate to stop and chat to someone briefly at 2m. That is what keeps me sane and functioning. Imagine people all walking around and not even saying a word to each other cos it isn't allowed, just silently signalling and smiling. It's absurd.

Hollyhead · 14/01/2021 18:34

The rules are clear, what is wrong with people? It is allowed to exercise with one person, but OBVIOUSLY in a pandemic you should keep this as minimal as you can - do it as few times to maintain your mental health as possible.

Gah, people ask to be treated like adults and then behave like children.

rwalker · 14/01/2021 18:36

Can't see the problem with what she said .Yes we are allowed to walk ,run and exercise with someone .
Every contact is a risk so if you can go on your own and eliminate the risk please do .

TammyHullfigure · 14/01/2021 18:43

@rwalker

Can't see the problem with what she said .Yes we are allowed to walk ,run and exercise with someone . Every contact is a risk so if you can go on your own and eliminate the risk please do .

Don't be daft. You will not pass it on outdoors. Negligible at best.

Jaypreen · 14/01/2021 18:54

These Covid reg's are an absolute dogs dinner - I wish they'd stop conflating guidance and law and I'd be interested to hear from any on here who have received Covid fines, if the fine states on it which specific reg' has been broken or whether anyone has appealed one of these (and won)?

OverTheRubicon · 14/01/2021 18:59

@Hollyhead

The rules are clear, what is wrong with people? It is allowed to exercise with one person, but OBVIOUSLY in a pandemic you should keep this as minimal as you can - do it as few times to maintain your mental health as possible.

Gah, people ask to be treated like adults and then behave like children.

Yes, abs and obviously people need to take this sensibly. But like others have said, the risk is that it drives people into riskier behaviours. My sister is a nurse and a single mum, as she's still at work in hospitals she only met her 'support bubble' person outdoors, to minimise risk. If two people together is forbidden, and they're concerned about being spotted and charged, they'll just end up meeting indoors as they are perfectly allowed to do as part of their bubble - much riskier.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 14/01/2021 19:31

You will not pass it on outdoors

If it can’t be caught outdoors then there would be no reason to limit to just one person.

Sitt · 14/01/2021 19:41

@mumwon

2 things occur to me - we have v few police in our town - so I would love to know how all this extra supervision by police is managed Second when dh & I walk outside together -will this mythical police person ask for our marriage lines, tenancy info or look up where we live to check we live together? (MInd, he always wonders off to take photos on our country walks!) *@Sitt* I had a good laugh at your post - but you should add looking at leaves sticks puddles (Ah got it -you live in an urban area!

)

Actually I live in a village, I just picked two of the many things my toddler is obsessed with!

Smiledwiththerisingsun · 14/01/2021 21:03

We will see Priti Patel next Tuesday!

Smiledwiththerisingsun · 14/01/2021 21:03

Lol @FloraFocus No minglin' 🤣🤣🤣

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind · 14/01/2021 21:55

@Hollyhead

The rules are clear, what is wrong with people? It is allowed to exercise with one person, but OBVIOUSLY in a pandemic you should keep this as minimal as you can - do it as few times to maintain your mental health as possible.

Gah, people ask to be treated like adults and then behave like children.

Indeed, what is wrong with people?

What is wrong with people who can't see that there are still other issues in life besides coronavirus? And that there are many people who understand the need for restrictions and who follow and respect all of the rules, and have no issue with the rules that make sense and actually prevent the virus being spread. But there needs to be balance, and I don't personally think there has been enough balance and enough consideration of all the other harms and effects, particularly on mental health.

As a pp said, the risks of meeting one other person outside and maintaining a distance are negligible. Particularly when taking a lot of people's circumstances into account- I'm early 30s, well, a healthy weight, I work from home and have very few contacts. My friend who I have met up outside with, is the same. So not only is the risk of either of us passing the virus to eachother in this way incredibly low, even in the unlikely event it were to happen, we are both very unlikely to end up in hospital. So is there therefore an argument that if people are more at risk due to age and health, perhaps they should not meet up with one other person outside? And also an argument that why should people in my position have such draconian restrictions on us, when we are so low risk and low risk of needing hospital treatment, and when the benefits to our mental health are so large?

I feel on this site (especially the way it has gone lately) that I need to be clear- I am NOT for one second suggesting that we should ban anyone over 60 or whatever from meeting people from outside. It would be ridiculous and cruel. I think the benefits to all of society to be able to meet a friend outside far outweigh the risks. I was just merely pointing out if we are so say following the science on this, those are factors that affect the actual risk involved.

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whenwillthemadnessend · 15/01/2021 08:39

Agree with work places. My db works with 60 others and his boss makes them go in as she doesn't trust them to work from home. They are definitely not key workers!!!

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Ponoka7 · 15/01/2021 10:20

@whenwillthemadnessend, why don't you or your DB report it?

Over police people out and about and you drive people indoors. I know many high risk, job wise, people who are still going to see their parents. One in my DD's road was very vocal about me doing childcare for my grandchildren and was in favour of further restrictions. When I asked why should we live under further restrictions when she breaks the ones we have and in their group there are CV people, she sited mental health. Which is bollocks. She's also very vocal about not getting the flu jab, not being tested and she won't get the Covid jab (she refused it when offered, NHS). These are the people who are continuing to fill the hospitals. Not two young women going for a walk, or children hugging.

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whenwillthemadnessend · 15/01/2021 10:43

My mum has reported it. Db won't as he was made redundant last l year and nearly lost his house. Then he got this job so he is
Terrified of getting the sack now.

How many others can't speak up In Fear of losing their jobs

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 15/01/2021 11:43

@Yohoheaveho

Michael Gove and his opinion on exercise needing to take no more than a few minutes because after walking to a car he's done for the day ah, that's why he's got such a big fat ladies bottom!

Child-bearing hips on men is often the sign of a Tory politician.

puffinkoala · 15/01/2021 11:45

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

You will not pass it on outdoors

If it can’t be caught outdoors then there would be no reason to limit to just one person.

You can't catch it outdoors in low risk situations. Clearly if a group of thirty gather in one place the risk increases, as it does in an outdoor market or queuing for the post office.

Running or walking alongside someone is very low risk.

puffinkoala · 15/01/2021 11:48

Also, reducing obesity levels should be the priority. Yes the NHS has been underfunded (or funded in the wrong places) and mismanaged, but if people would stop eating so much and exercising more, we would have had fewer deaths. So Patel and Hancock are being particularly stupid trying to discourage exercise.

Also as a pp says it depends on your other contacts. I work from home and all my work interaction is online. I've been to the bank and one shop this week and that's it. DH also works from home and DS has been off college since December 11th. So I can use my "contact bank" to go for a run or walk with a friend instead. If you are working in a school or hospital, or still have kids in school or nursery, it may be different.

Hollyhead · 15/01/2021 17:31

@puffinkoala yes, there isn't enough focus on obesity. If everyone who was overweight or obses had started losing weight from the first lockdown, deaths and admissions would be significantly lower now. I read some papers where over 70% of ITU covid patients were overweight/obese. My relation who's a covid nurse said that although thin covid patients aren't unheard of the vast majority could lose more than a couple of stone. I personally think as soon as the link with obesity was found we should have had an emergency 20% additional tax on all high sugar/processed/alcohol - a to try and encourage healthier habits but also to help fund the crisis.

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whenwillthemadnessend · 15/01/2021 19:53

Well obesity is now worse as we are locked up No commuting walking no work in many cases. No pe lessons play time. A ticking time bomb.

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Hollyhead · 15/01/2021 20:41

Weight is so much more linked to diet than exercise.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 15/01/2021 20:47

@whenwillthemadnessend

Well obesity is now worse as we are locked up No commuting walking no work in many cases. No pe lessons play time. A ticking time bomb.

It doesn’t have to be. You can still go it to exercise and there are many forms that can be done at home.

Many just seem to have lost sight of what a healthy weight is not to mention diet choices and alcohol intake.

noodlmcdoodl · 16/01/2021 07:04

@tatutata

I think she was instructed to go on and say something inflammatory. The backlash takes up column inches that would otherwise be dedicated to questions about the future of track & trace. Or why employers get away with making employees switch off the app. I've looked into the tech details (you can find them somewhere on. Gov) , it's perfectly good and has quite intricate parameters to differentiate between a low risk context (eg customer in coffee shop at counter for 30s) and high risk - eg. Your colleagues within 2 metres all day...

Yep, this covers it nicely. Typical Tory gaslighting as well.

yearinyearout · 16/01/2021 15:20

Currently you can meet one other for exercise multiple times a day and with multiple people when we are reducing social contact everywhere else.

I seriously doubt anyone is going out multiple times a day with different people for a walk. I meet someone (different people each time) for a dog walk about 2-3 times a week and it's keeping me sane. None of us have kids at home, none of us go anywhere else or meet anyone indoors, none of us work outside the home, and I genuinely believe it's a safe thing to do.

I actually know a lot of people who've had covid, and every single one of them had been mixing indoors with people from outside their household (some because of their jobs, and some had it brought into the household by late teen kids mixing with their mates)