How should masks be enforced in public?

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Indoors in general (shops, public transport etc).

I don't believe in making it mandatory because there are people who are genuinely exempt but there's so many piss takers.

There should be 'medically exempt' badges dished out by GP's only, on prescription essentially.

This should have been GP led from the get go, not trusting the British public. We see where that gets us.

[quote lockeddownandcrazy]www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hidden-Disabilities-Sunflower-Lanyard-Face-Covering-Exempt-Card/324424997878?hash=item4b893c9bf6:g:o9AAAOSwEUBf0P-l[/quote]
Well done for giving everyone who doesn’t fancy wearing a mask the means to falsify information and as a result the means to go around every supermarket potentially spreading the virus.

[quote JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows]@Stellaris22 yes of course there are a small number of people lying - but there is no way to 'demand' the truth without discriminating against people, such as the disabled and vulnerable, no genuinely cannot wear a mask. Why should they be collateral damage and lose their rights and freedoms? [/quote]
People who are genuinely unable to wear a mask are usually sensible enough to wear a lanyard showing they are exempt. It’s people who are not wearing a mask for no other reason than they just don’t want to that tend to be obnoxious and mouth off when challenged.

For those of you who genuinely can not wear one , what will happen if to have to be ventilation in hospital.

Also what if there was a gas attack in a war ?

I know that might seem remote but it happened only one generation ago ?

I agree there should just be lanyard wearing for exemption.

I heard one person say oh sorry just forgot to wear mine .not true he was just pushing his luck.

@Unsure33

For those of you who genuinely can not wear one , what will happen if to have to be ventilation in hospital.

Also what if there was a gas attack in a war ?

I know that might seem remote but it happened only one generation ago ?

I agree there should just be lanyard wearing for exemption.

I heard one person say oh sorry just forgot to wear mine .not true he was just pushing his luck.

If I were in hospital on a ventilator, I would be sedated. If I required an oxygen mask, I'd be in hospital with access to pain medication and, more importantly, if I did have an attack I'd be somewhere safe, not on a bus or in a supermarket.

If there was a gas attack in a war (?) I'd still be unable to wear a mask.

I can only speak for myself here, of course.

@Ilovemypantry you said women had a certain look and named the community they 'looked' (to you) as if they were part of. It was a judgement based on your prejudice - you have absolutely no way of knowing what community, if any, they were from.

For those of you who genuinely can not wear one , what will happen if to have to be ventilation in hospital.

Nothing will happen because it is nothing like wearing a cloth face mask that filters outside air. You can’t compare the two because wearing a cloth face mask reduces breathability which can effect those with lung conditions, while ventilation involves pumping oxygen into your lungs.
There are two types of ventilation- a face mask that pumps pure oxygen in to your lungs when you breathe so you are inhaling more oxygen with mask than you would without it. Asthmatics are used to this type because if you go into hospital with an attack they hook you up to one which has oxygen plus nebulised asthma medicine pumping into your lungs to keep you alive.

Second type of ventilation is mechanical and involves putting you into a medical coma and then hooking up a tube stuck down your throat to pump oxygen directly to your lungs.

@Ilovemypantry I have reported your disgusting bigoted posts

People who are genuinely unable to wear a mask are usually sensible enough to wear a lanyard showing they are exempt. It’s people who are not wearing a mask for no other reason than they just don’t want to that tend to be obnoxious and mouth off when challenged.

Just one small problem - anyone can buy a lanyard. And people don't have to wear one to prove to bigots they're disabled.

Diabolical that you go around shops telling people to put their masks on. Has no one told you to fuck off yet?

I singled out a specific community because that has been my experience. Can’t get away from fact

Generalising about an ethnic minority group because you've seen one or two incidences of (what you perceive to be) poor behaviour is racist. It's not fAcT". HTH.

Also, travellers can be disabled too and exempt from wearing masks. Also HTH.

@PlanDeRaccordement

For those of you who genuinely can not wear one , what will happen if to have to be ventilation in hospital.

Nothing will happen because it is nothing like wearing a cloth face mask that filters outside air. You can’t compare the two because wearing a cloth face mask reduces breathability which can effect those with lung conditions, while ventilation involves pumping oxygen into your lungs.
There are two types of ventilation- a face mask that pumps pure oxygen in to your lungs when you breathe so you are inhaling more oxygen with mask than you would without it. Asthmatics are used to this type because if you go into hospital with an attack they hook you up to one which has oxygen plus nebulised asthma medicine pumping into your lungs to keep you alive.

Second type of ventilation is mechanical and involves putting you into a medical coma and then hooking up a tube stuck down your throat to pump oxygen directly to your lungs.

Well said.

I'm so embarrassed for people who pull the "how will you like wearing a mask in hospital" argument.

@Ilovemypantry "Well done for giving everyone who doesn’t fancy wearing a mask the means to falsify information and as a result the means to go around every supermarket potentially spreading the virus"

Do you seriously think they arent able to look on ebay themselves anyway.....get real! Self exemption is a joke!

Self exemption is a joke!

@Ilovemypantry

So what do you suggest those unable to wear masks do when they need to go out in public?

Oops sorry tagged the wrong person in my last post was supposed to tag @lockeddownandcrazy

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

I singled out a specific community because that has been my experience. Can’t get away from fact

Generalising about an ethnic minority group because you've seen one or two incidences of (what you perceive to be) poor behaviour is racist. It's not fAcT". HTH.

Also, travellers can be disabled too and exempt from wearing masks. Also HTH.

They weren’t disabled or exempt because I challenged them, they said their masks were in their bag!

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

Self exemption is a joke!

@Ilovemypantry

So what do you suggest those unable to wear masks do when they need to go out in public?

If someone is genuinely unable to wear a mask for medical reasons they really shouldn’t be out shopping. They should make other arrangements such as online shopping or getting someone to shop for them. If they are vulnerable enough not to be able to wear a mask or visor, they should be shielding.

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows

People who are genuinely unable to wear a mask are usually sensible enough to wear a lanyard showing they are exempt. It’s people who are not wearing a mask for no other reason than they just don’t want to that tend to be obnoxious and mouth off when challenged.

Just one small problem - anyone can buy a lanyard. And people don't have to wear one to prove to bigots they're disabled.

Diabolical that you go around shops telling people to put their masks on. Has no one told you to fuck off yet?

Genuine exempt people usually have no problem with wearing a lanyard to let others know they are exempt...they don’t have the reason displayed for everyone to see.

I will not stop challenging anyone not wearing a mask, we are all supposed to be trying to stop the stop the spread of the virus not finding ways round to flout the rules. Someone telling me to fuck off doesn’t bother me in the least.

@Ilovemypantry why would PTSD/trigeminal neuralgia/autism (and hundreds of other conditions which confer exemption) make a person vulnerable? And these conditions don't put you on the shielding list. You can't just give up work because someone on Mumsnet doesn't want to see you out and about. Unless you're willing to pay my bills for me?

Oh, and I sincerely hope that you do not ask people wearing a lanyard why they're not wearing a face covering. Why are you getting close enough to speak to people anyway? Shame on you for putting others at risk by not social distancing.

They weren’t disabled or exempt because I challenged them, they said their masks were in their bag

And on today's edition of That Never Happened...

If someone is genuinely unable to wear a mask for medical reasons they really shouldn’t be out shopping. They should make other arrangements such as online shopping or getting someone to shop for them. If they are vulnerable enough not to be able to wear a mask or visor, they should be shielding

My daughter is exempt, she isn’t shielding or in any way clinically vulnerable.

She has Tourette’s. Masks massively exacerbate her tics.

She wears a mask for as long as she can tolerate it because of people like you. She’s punched herself in the head so many times she knocked herself out and ended up in A&E - 3 times so far.

She has every right to use a bus to get to school (not that she’s attending at the moment, despite having a place, because she can’t leave her room without having a panic attack because people “challenge” her, call her a cunt and blame her for grannies dying), go in a shop and attend her hospital and counselling appointments.

She does wear a lanyard, but it hasn’t helped her at all

Seems like the only people who are being unaffected by this are the piss takers, because they've got enough neck to do it to start with, enough neck to argue the toss when asked to wear a mask and the absolute disgusting attitude that with an exemption to a rule that's designed to protect everyone, that exemption is perfectly ok to abuse because it gets them what they want, rather than what it was designed for, to allow people who genuinely can't wear a mask to access essential services.
These people should be brought to task over this.
They're putting others at risk while making life harder for those genuinely exempt.
There should be a way that these people can be separated. With the NHS ready to collapse, it's just not good enough to ignore it, to allow it to continue and the knock on effect that's going to have.
There needs to be a solution to this, where people who are tasked with policing this, and those that are genuinely exempt work together to spot these piss takers and tackle them to reduce the incidence.
Seems people would rather argue that it's not fair to have exemptions at all, or not fair that people who are exempt should have to have something official to say that they are, and that's the law so ner.
Just going to carry on like it is then isn't it.

@Ilovemypantry
Genuine exempt people usually have no problem with wearing a lanyard to let others know they are exempt...they don’t have the reason displayed for everyone to see. I will not stop challenging anyone not wearing a mask, we are all supposed to be trying to stop the stop the spread of the virus not finding ways round to flout the rules. Someone telling me to fuck off doesn’t bother me in the least.

I know several genuine exempt people who have not bought a lanyard to wear. There also have been several such people commenting on these threads. So your litmus test of genuine=wearing a lanyard, and taking the piss= no lanyard so you’re going to verbally harass(challenge) them is so fucking stupid and bigoted. Especially
Anyone can order a lanyard and wear it, there is no certification process to buy and wear lanyard. Wearing one doesn’t magically turn the wearer into a genuine mask exempt person.

As there appears to be no obvious fair solution to protect retail staff, supermarkets and shops may need to operate solely on a click and collect or delivery basis. Everybody treated fairly and staff better protected.