Any further news on nurseries?

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I can’t find anything in the news or online.

They're still open. Although apparently Chris Whitty says that parents "should avoid" sending their kids in but I don't really know what that means.

Almost everyone I know has their kids in nursery so that they can work 🤷‍♀️

It’s ridiculous people are talking about stopping support bubbles whilst nurseries are open.

I wonder if the govt have any clue how much money it costs to send a child to nursery. Especially in comparison to the average income. Unless they are forcibly closed no one is going to voluntarily give up the place as they will still have to fork out maybe £1200-£1500 a month for a full time place.

If they shut nurseries I also expect:

Key worker listS to be gravely reduced- 2 key worker parents per child to warrant a school place
Estate agents to close
Takeaways shut
Support bubbles cancelled

Let everyone be truly fucked over and miserable not just those with children!!!

@OnlyFoolsnMothers but it’s about reducing household mixing. Support bubbles are 2 households mixing. Nurseries are on average 30.

I work in a nursery. Just because reported cases in children that age are low, it doesn’t mean they’re not getting it, or spreading it. It means parents are not testing such young children. Leave had multiple cases amongst the adults and parents.

My support bubble consists of one other adult. At work I am mixing with 9 adults with barely any social distancing, and 20 other children. Lots of those adults have children attending primary school, and children have siblings doing the same. Plus parents potentially mixing at work. It’s hundreds of households mixing essentially.

I’m not sure why nurseries are seen as sacred and parents of nursery children cannot possibly cope but yet parents of young school age children are doing it, just about. At least nursery children won’t need to be home schooled.

Each age comes with its own difficulties and id say the ages between 1-2 are the hardest in terms of working from home. But it’s no easier to work from home and home school a 5/6 year old than to look after a 3/4 year old

But I agree about your other points. Support bubbles should be the last things to go though. Although the rules on them maybe need tightening and somehow enforced as not everyone is using them correctly.

@Frazzledmum55 There is a huge difference in trying to home school a 5-6 year old and work and work with a 1 or 2 year old. Nobody with a toddler or baby is going to be able to work. At all.

[quote Frazzledmum55]@OnlyFoolsnMothers but it’s about reducing household mixing. Support bubbles are 2 households mixing. Nurseries are on average 30.

I work in a nursery. Just because reported cases in children that age are low, it doesn’t mean they’re not getting it, or spreading it. It means parents are not testing such young children. Leave had multiple cases amongst the adults and parents.

My support bubble consists of one other adult. At work I am mixing with 9 adults with barely any social distancing, and 20 other children. Lots of those adults have children attending primary school, and children have siblings doing the same. Plus parents potentially mixing at work. It’s hundreds of households mixing essentially.

I’m not sure why nurseries are seen as sacred and parents of nursery children cannot possibly cope but yet parents of young school age children are doing it, just about. At least nursery children won’t need to be home schooled.

Each age comes with its own difficulties and id say the ages between 1-2 are the hardest in terms of working from home. But it’s no easier to work from home and home school a 5/6 year old than to look after a 3/4 year old[/quote]
Worries me that you work in a nursery and you think there’s no diff between a 2yr old and a 5yr old. 2yr olds need constant attention and things to do.
I don’t know why nurseries are seen as so sacred either, lots of people are having to work, many amongst adults who are more likely to spread the virus, with far less fuss.

Support bubbles are by their very definition mixing of households so yes if we are going to sacrifice let’s all make sacrifices not just the children!

@Frazzledmum55

But I agree about your other points. Support bubbles should be the last things to go though. Although the rules on them maybe need tightening and somehow enforced as not everyone is using them correctly.

The last things to go because that would affect you! And us parents are called selfish

@Frazzledmum55 totally disagree and am surprised with your assessment. I have both those age groups and the older one, while the home schooling makes it difficult, can at least understand instructions and can mill about the house safely and with less supervision. Not good by any stretch but not unsafe.
For a parent to work properly and virtually ignore a very young child would be neglectful.

Also @Frazzledmum55 it is nonsense to suggest parents aren't having young children tested. I don't know anyone whose nursery or childminder hasn't insisted on a negative test result if your child has a cough or temp. Do you really work in a nursery?

Nurseries are also a very mixed bag in terms of risk. I use a childminder who only has 3 other minds and has made her provision 100% outdoors. It feels a lot safer than 30 children plus staff in an indoor setting.

[quote Frazzledmum55]@OnlyFoolsnMothers but it’s about reducing household mixing. Support bubbles are 2 households mixing. Nurseries are on average 30.

I work in a nursery. Just because reported cases in children that age are low, it doesn’t mean they’re not getting it, or spreading it. It means parents are not testing such young children. Leave had multiple cases amongst the adults and parents.

My support bubble consists of one other adult. At work I am mixing with 9 adults with barely any social distancing, and 20 other children. Lots of those adults have children attending primary school, and children have siblings doing the same. Plus parents potentially mixing at work. It’s hundreds of households mixing essentially.

I’m not sure why nurseries are seen as sacred and parents of nursery children cannot possibly cope but yet parents of young school age children are doing it, just about. At least nursery children won’t need to be home schooled.

Each age comes with its own difficulties and id say the ages between 1-2 are the hardest in terms of working from home. But it’s no easier to work from home and home school a 5/6 year old than to look after a 3/4 year old[/quote]
What about if you have to work, look after a 4 year old AND a 1 year old? Is that doable?

@Frazzledmum55
"But it’s no easier to work from home and home school a 5/6 year old than to look after a 3/4 year old"

Mmmmmhhhh no, sorry, just no. It is easier.

How many 5/6 year old need a nappy change at least 3-4 times during a typical 9-5 working day? How many can't spend 30 uninterrupted minutes in front of TV? How many can't you leave in a room alone for 5 minutes without emptying the cupboards/climbing on the chairs/trying to smash their fingers in the door/etc? How many can't sit and color a book on their own? How many can't walk up and down the stairs and if they accidentally escape from the baby gate you need to rescue half way through the bannister?

Yes, ok, they need to be assisted in home schooling...not easy, but not comparable. At all.

Some people I know have sent their children to nurseries simply for socialisation reasons not work reasons. As important as socialisation is, it maybe that those parents may need to give up their places for a few weeks

The manager at my child’s nursery has her own separate office. I wonder why she doesn’t just set up her computer and phone and files and papers in the corner one of the rooms with the children?

@Sitt

The manager at my child’s nursery has her own separate office. I wonder why she doesn’t just set up her computer and phone and files and papers in the corner one of the rooms with the children?

@ineedaholidaynow

Some people I know have sent their children to nurseries simply for socialisation reasons not work reasons. As important as socialisation is, it maybe that those parents may need to give up their places for a few weeks

Why should they??? Many places are paid for. Perhaps adults could give up their amazon deliveries, their takeaways. Let’s just keep taking from children and kid ourselves that the virus will vanish

OnlyFoolsnMothers I don’t really wonder why she doesn’t do that

Schools have been closed for almost a month and rates are rising so that didn't work.

@kirinm

Also *@Frazzledmum55* it is nonsense to suggest parents aren't having young children tested. I don't know anyone whose nursery or childminder hasn't insisted on a negative test result if your child has a cough or temp. Do you really work in a nursery?

@kirinm

It’s nonsense to suggest all parents are getting their child tested. Out of the 3 I’ve sent home 2 have refused to test and have kept their child home for 14 days instead. I can Insist all I like but i can’t make anyone test their child.

The alternative is to isolate though and they did that. Not sure what they did wrong.

All the nursery attendees I know have been tested multiple times too

@Freddiefox then don't allow them back.

@Freddiefox as a PP said, if they've isolated then that is fine. That minimises the risk.

[quote kirinm]@Frazzledmum55 There is a huge difference in trying to home school a 5-6 year old and work and work with a 1 or 2 year old. Nobody with a toddler or baby is going to be able to work. At all.[/quote]
If nurseries close I'll have both - 6 year old, 2 year old, plus work!