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Any further news on nurseries?

134 replies

Songbird89 · 11/01/2021 12:20

I can’t find anything in the news or online.

OP posts:
DayBath · 11/01/2021 15:06

@sunlightbuttons

They're still open. Although apparently Chris Whitty says that parents "should avoid" sending their kids in but I don't really know what that means.

Almost everyone I know has their kids in nursery so that they can work 🤷‍♀️

The majority do, but some of us have our kids part time in nursery so they can socialise. None of my mum friends have kids my son's age so with play groups closed its the only way he can see other toddlers. I've taken him out for now as I'm lucky enough to have the choice. If it's not safe for my daughter to go to school then it feels weird taking him to nursery. I realise I'm lucky, if I was working I wouldn't have a choice obviously. So I suppose Whitty is directing his advice to people like me who have the option.
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 15:10

If it's not safe for my daughter to go to school then it feels weird taking him to nursery with respect schools were not “closed” because they are unsafe for your child. They were closed to
reduce community transmission.

Heyahun · 11/01/2021 15:14

people are literally drooling at the mouth hoping for them to be bloody shut down - please stop it!

If you don't want your child to attend then don't send them - leave the rest of us who need them open to it! fucking hell

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 15:15

@Heyahun

people are literally drooling at the mouth hoping for them to be bloody shut down - please stop it!

If you don't want your child to attend then don't send them - leave the rest of us who need them open to it! fucking hell

Damn right!!! No one getting as het up about estate agents, tradesmen, amazon delivery drivers ffs
GoldenPoppy · 11/01/2021 15:17

But these people are allowed PPE.
Nursery staff are not

Goingcrazzy · 11/01/2021 15:19

If the nurseries close, as a lone parent and key worker I wont be able to work or financially look after my family. I hope they don't.

craftbeer · 11/01/2021 15:20

@weepingwillow22

Nurseries are also a very mixed bag in terms of risk. I use a childminder who only has 3 other minds and has made her provision 100% outdoors. It feels a lot safer than 30 children plus staff in an indoor setting.
How are they managing 100% outdoors? Are you in the uk?
MadeForThis · 11/01/2021 15:26

Our nursery decided to close last week.

ineedaholidaynow · 11/01/2021 15:32

@OnlyFoolsnMothers schools really are not safe from a COVID secure point of view. They are following the Government guidance but that really is not worth the paper it is written on. Schools, nurseries etc need fewer children in. Therefore, if you can cope with them at home you should keep them at home, even if that means they miss socialisation makes WFH a little tricky. If obviously you work outside the home or are on calls all the time and can't monitor what your children are up to then that is different.

But everyone who wants them open so they can go out to work should be encouraging people who can keep their children at home, to keep their children home as that gives more chance for nurseries to stay open. If rates keep rising then it is possible more restrictions will need to be brought in.

LloydBC · 11/01/2021 15:35

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

If they shut nurseries I also expect:

Key worker listS to be gravely reduced- 2 key worker parents per child to warrant a school place
Estate agents to close
Takeaways shut
Support bubbles cancelled

Let everyone be truly fucked over and miserable not just those with children!!!

This made me smile. Thank you!
Yikes2021 · 11/01/2021 15:36

This is causing a huge problem for me. My nursery have asked that we avoid sending kids in. They are short staffed and “it’s not worth the risk”. I’ve done this and I’m glad I have. Nursery has had to close today as there are several cases.

However they still expect me to pay full fees. Hmm. So I’m paying £1500 for my two kids a month... to sit at home and be bored whilst I attempt to work AND homeschool my older child.

Freddiefox · 11/01/2021 15:40

[quote kirinm]@Freddiefox then don't allow them back.[/quote]
@kirinm

I haven’t, I’ve given their space to someone else. But my comment was to yours, where you states it nonsense that children are tested, and that’s untrue, so you shouldn’t state it as fact.

rhowton · 11/01/2021 15:42

I really hope ours don't close. They sent out a 4 page COVID document getting you to sign that you'll pay 50% if the nursery closes. Plus one month full fees if you choose to leave. Really annoying. I need nursery to work. I can't wfh and I certainly wouldn't be able to with a 3&1 year old. So much will automatically come down to women and it's going to fuck up the gap even more.

kirinm · 11/01/2021 15:44

It is nonsense @Freddiefox that children are being taken to nursery / childminders with covid symptoms. Which is what the previous poster was implying created a risk for her.

Dawnlassie · 11/01/2021 15:46

people are literally drooling at the mouth hoping

No they are not LITERALLY drooling at the mouth

Perhaps oneday we can have a thread on here without somebody using that fucking word.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 15:46

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@OnlyFoolsnMothers schools really are not safe from a COVID secure point of view. They are following the Government guidance but that really is not worth the paper it is written on. Schools, nurseries etc need fewer children in. Therefore, if you can cope with them at home you should keep them at home, even if that means they miss socialisation makes WFH a little tricky. If obviously you work outside the home or are on calls all the time and can't monitor what your children are up to then that is different.

But everyone who wants them open so they can go out to work should be encouraging people who can keep their children at home, to keep their children home as that gives more chance for nurseries to stay open. If rates keep rising then it is possible more restrictions will need to be brought in.[/quote]
1- schools and nurseries grouped together is bizarre to me, there are 20kids in my child’s nursery class on a full day, the class sizes shrink as you go down a year group- 4 year groups. Our local primary schools have 3 classes of 30 x 7 years. It’s not comparable risk!
2- why should we keep kids home, it’s a service I pay for and if it’s available to me I refuse to have to justify using it.

ineedaholidaynow · 11/01/2021 15:54

@OnlyFoolsnMothers are they the same children in every day, you may find there are more children on the list but don't come in every day, so more risk of mixing different families

Freddiefox · 11/01/2021 15:58

@kirinm

Also *@Frazzledmum55* it is nonsense to suggest parents aren't having young children tested. I don't know anyone whose nursery or childminder hasn't insisted on a negative test result if your child has a cough or temp. Do you really work in a nursery?
@kirinm No you said. Above.

I’m telling you that isn’t nonsense to believe all children with symptoms are being tested, as I’ve had to deal with the fall out from staff and parents.

Which isn’t that same as:

It is nonsense @Freddiefox that children are being taken to nursery / childminders with covid symptoms. Which is what the previous poster was implying created a risk for her.

They are not the same statements, neither can be bashed away as nonsense.

I’ve turned children away from the door who look poorly.

You can chose to believe my experiences at work, you know in a nursery, or not. But don’t believe all children that are asked to be tested get tested, and don’t believe that parents don’t try to bring their sick child to nursery.

And lastly not getting a child tested does matter as it changes the data on how many children have covid.

Frazzledmum55 · 11/01/2021 15:59

Well that’s why I pointed out the 1-2 age group is definitely harder in terms of supervision. But they also usually still have naps.
No I don’t see much difference between 3/4 or 5/6. Not massively anyway in terms of attention needed. They both require the same amount of attention so my point is, if parents with children in reception and year 1 can manage, pre school parent could too. It’s equally as hard for all

@OnlyFoolsnMothers No, I’m not saying support bubbles should be the last to go as it effects me. Closing nurseries would effect me more as I’d probably lose my job as the business wouldn’t survive. But nurseries generate so much more household mixing and support bubbles are needed for people with disabilities or mental health issues.

In my experience under 5’s are tested way less than other age groups. Mainly because they’re asymptotic but a lot of parents isolate rather than testing young children.

@user1471523870 barely any 3/4 year olds are in nappies, most could watch tv for a bit and also be left alone for 5 minutes. If we’re still talking about the comparison between 3/4 and 5/6 it’s minimal. Not too say either are easy. It’s impossibly hard for any parents to work from home like that.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 16:59

But nurseries generate so much more household mixing and support bubbles are needed for people with disabilities or mental health issues but do they generate more Covid positive cases that adult household mixing...:

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 17:00

Nurseries are needed for increased wellbeing on children

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 17:00

Of*

DayBath · 11/01/2021 17:02

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

If it's not safe for my daughter to go to school then it feels weird taking him to nursery with respect schools were not “closed” because they are unsafe for your child. They were closed to reduce community transmission.
Increasing community transmission is by definition "unsafe". It's unsafe for me to catch it from the kids even if my children only have mild symptoms. The government can dress it up how it wants but safety was the reason for closing no matter which way you look at it.
OnlyFoolsnMothers · 11/01/2021 17:06

Saying it’s unsafe for your daughter is scaremongering for parents - considering 60% of pupils are in some schools can’t be that bloody unsafe

dumbledory · 11/01/2021 17:09

From a personal standpoint, I'm an early years worker. I'm also a single parent to DD(9) who is currently being assessed for autism. We have been alone throughout this pandemic. There is nobody I can bubble with for childcare or support. Her father and family have been mixing as normal, so that is not an option.

This means DD going into school as a keyworker's child and adding to numbers in the classroom, so I can work. I am considerably late for work each day, as wraparound care is not currently running. School have been amazing, but they aren't educating her (I'm trying to homeschool her after work, alongside completing the various reports, lesson prep, emails and other admin that comes as part of my job).

Quite frankly, she is finding the chop and change in routine/familiar faces incredibly upsetting and I, like so many others, am finding the juggling too much.

I am working with open windows and cleaning of resources being the only mitigating factors. PPE is not required according to the DfE...

Under five year olds (quite naturally) do not socially distance...or wipe their own noses...or cover their coughs. In the last week alone I have had a child cough in my face, as I helped them to zip up their coat, another wipe their nose on my hand and a third spit at staff when they have become upset.

We try to stay on top of handwashing, but with three sinks to be shared between staff and children, this does not feel adequate.

There is no way of knowing which families have or have not stuck to the guidelines, but many children delight in telling us whose house they are going to play at.

Parents send their children in trying to hide covid symptoms by dosing them up on calpol and then seem aggrieved when we ask them to collect their child, isolate and get tested.

Contrary to popular belief, our small team is made up of workers aged 30-60+ and each of us has our own worries and concerns, but each of us comes to work because we:

A) Love what we do. Nobody does this for the money!
B) Have no option but to work. We too have families to provide for. Furlough is not currently available, as government expects us to open to remain open...

One member of staff has already handed in their notice and this has negatively impacted staff morale further.

I think the overall feeling is that our sector has been thrown under the proverbial bus, with little regard to our health from government or parents or for the fact that we are working in an extremely unsafe environment.

As far as I am aware, we are the only educational settings who are able to open to all, working in prolonged close proximity to multiple households without masks, enhanced cleaning, ventilation, distancing measures or asymptomatic testing in place. It truly is business as normal and as many colleagues have expressed - it is extremely frightening!

I do not believe that the statistical data reflects the reality, as many under fives are asymptomatic and parents understandably don't want to put their children through such an unpleasant test and often opt to isolate instead.

We would be more than happy to open to vulnerable children and the children of those whose parents are front line workers, in line with other educational settings, but this would need to be alongside financial support from government to supplement income lost from other families unable to attend, in order for us to reopen to all at some stage.

I also recognise the impact this will have on working families and think government really need to knuckle down on employers of working parents to provide legal protections for those put on furlough due to childcare responsibilities.

Going forward, school and early years staff should be prioritised alongside other keyworkers such as NHS and care staff, in order for schools to reopen to all as quickly as possible, with little risk of them closing due to staff shortages, which is a major issue at the moment.

I personally feel at this point that it is inevitable that I am going to catch Covid through my place of work and if/when I do, I just pray I will remain well enough to look after DD, or else we are stuffed - nobody will be coming to help us out or make sure we are ok.

I love my job - I truly do, but I love my daughter more and just want to be ok for her...

Feeling pretty sorry for myself right now, but am resigned to the fact that this is happening and there is nothing I can do except put my head down and get on with it and do the best job that I can for the children within our care. It's not their fault that the country is in this divisive mess, after all...

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