Any further news on nurseries?

[Songbird89]

I can’t find anything in the news or online.

dumbledory very eloquently put!!!

However I stand by my comment that we should lock down on other adult activists first!

Just on a personal note the idea floated by lots on mn at the moment that all private sector workers can be furloughed is a joke. Private sector doesn’t mean giant conglomerates- the companies millions of us work for would be unable to function if every parent was furloughed!

*activities

All because 60% of children are in school doesn’t mean it is safe, in fact I would say it isn’t safe at all. We need it to be much lower than 60%

Many schools are requesting that numbers can be capped so schools can reduce the risk of transmission

but do they generate more Covid positive cases that adult household mixing...:

Well I’d imagine so given that most support bubbles usually consist of single adults whereas at work I’m in a bubble with 10 adults. That’s without the children and all their families.

I think take away coffees ect should be shut. Same with the big chain restaurants like McDonald’s, nandos.
Support bubbles should be stricter.
Nurseries open to key worker and vulnerable children only and the school places limited too.

The issue will be that the government don't want to fund them through closure.

@Heyahun yeah where's the thread to close: Costa down / construction sites / electrical shops / factories ... can you imagine just how Covid is rife in factories?!!

Not nurseries.

A lot Women on this board like to see others suffer I'm sure of it. All the ones wanting them to close do not have nursery age kids.

Often nursery staff are low paid staff. I wonder how many would survive if the settings shut as undoubtedly some parents would realise they didnt need to pay after weeks or months without it.

Most nurseries are private and therefore the staff are no where near as secure as teachers. You could more easily lay off 50% of your staff and replace then later than teachers.

I did used to WFH one a week years ago with my toddler. It was hell and at sometimes borderline neglect. Not sure I could do that again for months and if my dh was the main earner I would be tempted to take a year off paternity leave. Because that would make financial sense for me. I only took home 1/3 of my wages after childcare. Ok so its shared household cost etc but financially it only just about made sence. Add this complication in I think I would be doubting my sanity.

It's ok it doesnt effect people personally, but unless your in those shoes, I'm not going to bay for their closure

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

If they shut nurseries I also expect:

Key worker listS to be gravely reduced- 2 key worker parents per child to warrant a school place
Estate agents to close
Takeaways shut
Support bubbles cancelled

Let everyone be truly fucked over and miserable not just those with children!!!

What a lovely attitude. So reflective of various posts I've seen on mumsnet. If I'm miserable and fucked I want everyone else to be. Regardless of if it actually is a transmission issue or it has a significant impact on health and wellbeing. Fuck em eh?

And people like to say we're all in it together. Are we fuck. People want everyone to have it as shitty as they do.

Plussizejumpsuit yep!! Because I’m sick of everyone demanding nurseries shut, kids don’t need socialising until they reach adult hood bollocks - get the adults to give up their social bubbles, stop their Costa habit and amazon deliveries first!

They’re not social bubbles. They’re support bubbles. For the most vulnerable people in society. Well they’re supposed to be anyway.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Plussizejumpsuit yep!! Because I’m sick of everyone demanding nurseries shut, kids don’t need socialising until they reach adult hood bollocks - get the adults to give up their social bubbles, stop their Costa habit and amazon deliveries first!

Lush. What a lovely attitude. Fuck the actual reasoning I want everyone to be as miserable as me.

Also thinking about it what is so horrific about spending time with the children you produced?

@Plussizejumpsuit

Also thinking about it what is so horrific about spending time with the children you produced?

Oh! They went there!!!

@Plussizejumpsuit

Also thinking about it what is so horrific about spending time with the children you produced?

This is what is so horrific about trying to look after a toddler and at the same time being expected to work from home. But I guess you would just view this as collateral damage.

metro.co.uk/2020/12/02/baby-drowned-in-hot-tub-while-mum-worked-from-home-during-lockdown-13687584/amp/

Ok @OnlyFoolsnMothers has been almost hysterical on the whole thread clamouring for vulnerable people to not have support. Also openly said if I'm fucked I want everyone to be. But I'm the knob to suggest if you're getting so het up about spending time with your children there's maybe an issue. OK cool.

Also @MoirasRoses I suspect calling me names is against the talk guidelines.

@1dayatatime

It's wildly offensive to suggest I'd find the death of a baby collateral damage. That's a bit of a dramatic stretch and actually fucking disgusting. Really take a look at yourself.

I work in a nursery and last week despite the announcement pretty much all of the children still came. We were already a few staff down due to isolation and later in the week a couple more fell sick and went to test. We then received a positive result from a staff member meaning we had to shut a bubble. Plus a few parents have it. The staff shortage has now meant we have moved to key worker and vulnerable only which is how it should've been from the start..It's been very stressful for the staff. I've had parents asking to still send their child in despite them being at home..i mean come on keep them at home!!!. Im all for being open to those who need it but allowing nurseries to be 'open to everyone' is silly. We just about lasted a week before closing a bubble and tbh not sure other bubble will last much longer

@Plussizejumpsuit

Also thinking about it what is so horrific about spending time with the children you produced?

Ok let’s be ridiculous about this, why do people feel the need to be with their parent in a support bubble when they chose to move out of home, when plenty of children move away from their parent once they are adults.....

Why are people who don’t work at nurseries, who don’t have pre school aged children chomping at the bit to have them close- I call that a pretty fuck em attitude!

@Indie139

I work in a nursery and last week despite the announcement pretty much all of the children still came. We were already a few staff down due to isolation and later in the week a couple more fell sick and went to test. We then received a positive result from a staff member meaning we had to shut a bubble. Plus a few parents have it. The staff shortage has now meant we have moved to key worker and vulnerable only which is how it should've been from the start..It's been very stressful for the staff. I've had parents asking to still send their child in despite them being at home..i mean come on keep them at home!!!. Im all for being open to those who need it but allowing nurseries to be 'open to everyone' is silly. We just about lasted a week before closing a bubble and tbh not sure other bubble will last much longer

Genuine question, not being goady as I’m interested for your answer being front and centre in this- asking parents not to send their children, do you still expect them to pay the fees?

They are receiving credit or refund

Well put @dumbledory I could have written your post. Everyone seems to forget early years staff are literally risking their own and their families health to look after others children. Yes it is their job, but all jobs should be safe, pre-covid a nursery or pre school would be closed down if deemed unsafe for the workers. Now it doesn't seem to matter, as long as the economy can keep going. Its not fair to feel unsafe at work.

Amazon delivery drivers, Costa workers etc can social distance and wear ppe. None of that happens in an early years setting. I can't think of a single other job where both of those are not possible?

[quote Plussizejumpsuit]@1dayatatime

It's wildly offensive to suggest I'd find the death of a baby collateral damage. That's a bit of a dramatic stretch and actually fucking disgusting. Really take a look at yourself.[/quote]
It's pretty offensive to suggest parents don't want to spend time.with their kids, tbh. I hate being away from mine. Wish I coule spend every second with them. Unfortunately, they need to eat and have a house and stuff, so I need to work. Can't get furloughed. Will have to take unpaid leave if nurseries shut, as my children are 4 and 1, so need supervising all day. Can't afford unpaid leave for any substantial amount of time. Won't be able to pay the rent/shopping/electric etc. Do you expect the many people in similar situations as this to be thrilled at the prospect? Of course we want nurseries open! Prove to me the risk nurseries staying open is greater than the risks of closing them.