Tighter restrictions? What else can be "tighter"??

[R2221]

Schools closed, work places closed, nailbars, hairdressers, clothes shops, closed. My high street is dead and a couple of big shops are permanently closing down. We've been totally indoors, going out only to get grocery and exercise.

Oh, gyms are closed, no play dates, birthdays, dinners or even coffee with friends. WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE TO STOP THE SPREAD??? What would "tighter" restrictions mean? To me, next tighter level means no grocery and exercise :(

My local hospital is totally full. I don't understand why.

What more can be done?? Its tight enough?? For a start people can stop being selfish dicks and gather en masse at any available location, crowds of people have been out today! Oh, how tough this lockdown already is... no, far too many people are taking no bloody notice of it more like

@SleepingStandingUp

There are around 160,000 mostly empty hotel rooms in London alone. Why aren't we using them to make it at least possible for people to isolate away from the people they live with? So who goes? Mom gets covid, do Dad and the 4 kids go to the hotel? What if they're asymptomatic? Do you test first? Chances are it's been spread before anyone knows they've got it.

What happens then if Dad gets it, he's already in the hotel, so what about the kids?

Or does the sick person get transported to the hotel and meals are delivered to the door three times a day?

So Mom gets it, goes to the hotel. Then Dad gets it. Goes to the hotel. Who's having the 4 kids under 10 whilst Mom and Dad are away?

Or do we just arbitrarily split up healthy households so anywhere there's more than 4 people living together, the excess gets the hotel room for the next 6 months?

Just shove the 6 person family into a double room with nothing to do for 10 days and have done with it. We can have a sweep stake out how many end up jumping out the window.

Im assuming that these doors will be welded shut to prevent people from leaving rooms. Maybe we could just torch the buildings then. That would stop the infected transmitting the virus.

I mean China did this so we could too right?

They also dont have the same level of issues with people dying waiting for donor organs as they are 'available on demand'.

So maybe we could just quit it with the dumb as fuck ideas and engage our brains.

Restrictions look like they will be in place until end of March. For those who want clothing aisles closed off, click and collect and deliveries all stopped what do you suggest that parents of children, in particular babies and toddlers who grow out of clothes in the space of 2-3 months at times do? In lockdown 1 I got clothes for my son in the supermarket (he grew out of a whole set during the first lockdown March to May). It is all well saying these are non essential but this is going to last months- and when things go on for months some things then do become essential.

@TriSarahTops

If they stop exercise outside the house with one other person I will form an illegal support bubble with my friend and see her indoors away from prying eyes. I’m not prepared to only have DH for company indefinitely (I’ve been WFH since March (as has DH) and I HATE IT SO MUCH. It’s incredibly isolating and slowly destroying my resilience and my mental health. I’ve had months and months of barely any social contact (we’ve been in tier 3 or lockdown since - well, since before tier 3 existed). I can’t cope with reducing my social contact any further.

Spare a thought for those who don't work but only have DH. At least you interact with work colleagues.

@ SleepingStandingUp no reason for them not to attend, just those who can minimise risk should do so where they can. It seems to have worked in the nurseries I know - some key workers and a number of wfh parents who are being careful. Not a single case or symptoms/need to isolate in more than 6 months.

Tbh I was just going on the posts here where people are saying their husband has tested positive and they are finding it really stressful keeping them separate in a house with CEV members. Personally I suspect there is little they can do at that point, but I’m all for people having options that reduce their anxiety. I’m not actually agreeing with the concept of separating families and locking them in hotel rooms, to be clear

@Sitt

SleepingStandingUp relax and read what I said - I said the option. I’m not advocating it or saying it should be compulsory. Just an option for some people where it might be easier for them. In your scenario it wouldn’t work obviously

I want trying to be a dick, it was a genuine question. I know in the early days some hotels were being used so NHS staff could stay away from their families and is not a bad idea in theory, but in reality, how do you get around the issues of needing more than a bed and a room if you're stuck inside for two weeks rather than going to and from work?

@MJSTJS

Restrictions look like they will be in place until end of March. For those who want clothing aisles closed off, click and collect and deliveries all stopped what do you suggest that parents of children, in particular babies and toddlers who grow out of clothes in the space of 2-3 months at times do? In lockdown 1 I got clothes for my son in the supermarket (he grew out of a whole set during the first lockdown March to May). It is all well saying these are non essential but this is going to last months- and when things go on for months some things then do become essential.

Online.

DM is now reporting a "suggestion" that people might only be allowed to leave home once per week.

Clearly softening us up for a one hour per day limit...

Also mention of the first lockdown having a 1 hour per day limit, which of course was never the case - I think many of us are now aware of the difference between legislation and non enforcable guidance now. Even if the government doesn't think we are.

Perhaps we should lie on here in case government focus groups are using our responses to inform policy.

@MJSTJS

Restrictions look like they will be in place until end of March. For those who want clothing aisles closed off, click and collect and deliveries all stopped what do you suggest that parents of children, in particular babies and toddlers who grow out of clothes in the space of 2-3 months at times do? In lockdown 1 I got clothes for my son in the supermarket (he grew out of a whole set during the first lockdown March to May). It is all well saying these are non essential but this is going to last months- and when things go on for months some things then do become essential.

But surely everyone has the money to do a months for shop for them AND their bubble, plus buy clothes for the whole family to cover them for the next 6 months just in case. I mean what else would you spend your average 80k salary on????

Is everyone actually looking forward to paying the extra tax all this madness will cause

@AcornAutumn i suspect most on this board will want benefits cut even further instead. Poorer people know it too. Not stupid.

For those saying 9 pm curfew and no driving to exercise, how about my Dh who is cev and we are all shielding him? He relies on driving to a nearby empty space for walks in the daylight. We all go for late night walks also so we can be sure hardly anyone else is around to reduce risks.

I know - my BIL was isolated in a hotel room for longer than that back in March due to a positive case at a work event. He nearly lost his mind, especially as they kept telling him he could get his flight, then last minute he couldn’t, again and again.

Really - this isn’t a suggestion I’m hugely wedded to so I’m not minded to think it through too much tbh

“PrincessNutNuts

“MJSTJS
Restrictions look like they will be in place until end of March. For those who want clothing aisles closed off, click and collect and deliveries all stopped what do you suggest that parents of children, in particular babies and toddlers who grow out of clothes in the space of 2-3 months at times do? In lockdown 1 I got clothes for my son in the supermarket (he grew out of a whole set during the first lockdown March to May). It is all well saying these are non essential but this is going to last months- and when things go on for months some things then do become essential.”

Online.”

For those who want clothing aisles closed off, click and collect and deliveries all stopped

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@GreenlandTheMovie

DM is now reporting a "suggestion" that people might only be allowed to leave home once per week.

Clearly softening us up for a one hour per day limit...

Also mention of the first lockdown having a 1 hour per day limit, which of course was never the case - I think many of us are now aware of the difference between legislation and non enforcable guidance now. Even if the government doesn't think we are.

Perhaps we should lie on here in case government focus groups are using our responses to inform policy.

Good luck with that suggestion.

It will, at most, be guidance. Not law and not legally enforceable.

If it happens at all.

@PrincessNutNuts I suggest you read more carefully.

1. As I said in my post- How can someone do it online if deliveries are stopped? Some people want deliveries, click and collect and non essential aisles closed off. They want the warehouses for places like next closed again.
2. Online tends to be more expensive than in most supermarkets. Some people can’t afford online prices
3. During the last lockdown I couldn’t any vests in my son’s size online so had to get them in a supermarket.

It isn’t as easy as just saying go online.

@RedToothBrush

If it happens at all.

Any reason why it wouldn't apply to you?

If o can only go out once a week to do the food shop for me, DH, 3 kids and MIL I can guarantee I will be out the house for longer than an hour. Perhaps the Police Officer can drive me and my shopping home...

What a load of collective madness.

People should be more mindful that the mail make money off being sensationalist rather than being as accurate as possible...

... Clearly the memo on this hasn't reached everyone yet.

a "suggestion" that people might only be allowed to leave home once per week

Oh fuck off (and I never usually say that lol) - how is that even enforceable?
People NEED to go out for food, or medicine for example.
If you don't drive, you have to do several small shops, you can't carry a weeks worth of family shopping back with you in carrier bags.
Wish people would look outside of their own bubble, what with "go out once a week!" and "only travel within 5 miles" (which completely stuffs people in the countryside with little or no internet coverage and the local shop being miles away) - it's just totally unrealistic.

Any reason why it wouldn't apply to you?

Is the glue being shared around tonight or something?

I am pretty grounded in reality still thankfully.

Fwiw ive not been shopping since the full lockdown started. And im yet to put in my next click and collect supermarket order.

So im personally not to phased by the prospect. I also know it wont be legally biding nor legally enforceable. Mainly cos im not a fuckwit.

Im not leaving home only once a week when that cunt Morgan got to go to fucking Antigua after psychologically abusing the nation for weeks beforehand. They can fuck right off #carersstrike

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

There are around 160,000 mostly empty hotel rooms in London alone. Why aren't we using them to make it at least possible for people to isolate away from the people they live with?

Do you mean compulsory or voluntary?

As I said, we should make it at least possible.