Tighter restrictions? What else can be "tighter"??

[R2221]

Schools closed, work places closed, nailbars, hairdressers, clothes shops, closed. My high street is dead and a couple of big shops are permanently closing down. We've been totally indoors, going out only to get grocery and exercise.

Oh, gyms are closed, no play dates, birthdays, dinners or even coffee with friends. WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE TO STOP THE SPREAD??? What would "tighter" restrictions mean? To me, next tighter level means no grocery and exercise :(

My local hospital is totally full. I don't understand why.

I'm not convinced that a curfew or closing outdoor gyms will help a great deal.

I do wonder if the lateral flow tests that the government want to use in the schools might be better used in other essential services for the moment. We need warehouses and food distribution centres to keep going it seems sensible to try using them there to prevent outbreaks.

Iheartmysmart Ah, truth will out. It’s not about societal responsibility but your right to do as you please. It’s funny we all want it to stop but don’t think increased safety measures should affect us or stop us doing exactly what we like. You weren’t at Capitol Hill were you?

@MotherOfDragonite yes except whilst they are enjoying life, the rest of the first world has been creating vaccines so they can their countries again one day

@CherryRoulade

Once a week? What happens if you r in our of baby formula, your prescription runs out etc, tough shit die quietly?. You learn to think ahead. If your prescription is on repeat, you’d need to order ahead anyway. The answer is don’t run out. I actually think most prescriptions should probably be delivered rather than having queues of ‘at risk’ standing around in pharmacies.

As above about engaging brain before opening mouth.

What you are saying is people who forget baby milk or dont have enough money on the day they go shopping to buy multiple tins and stock up should let their baby starve?

slow hand clap

Of course this isn't what you meant and you are 'just making a point' however this is the joined up thinking the government are having to consider.

Certain 'solutions' people are coming up with are thankfully firmly in lala land and not under serious consideration.

@CherryRoulade

Iheartmysmart Ah, truth will out. It’s not about societal responsibility but your right to do as you please. It’s funny we all want it to stop but don’t think increased safety measures should affect us or stop us doing exactly what we like. You weren’t at Capitol Hill were you?

Oh how insightful and intelligent you are with your trump insults. Your views are extreme. I don't know why you're surprised people don't agree with them.

Not everyone can shop once weekly. My dm doesn't drive. She takes her trolley to supermarket. She shops for 4 people. She could never carry a weeks shopping.
She can't get delivered as no slots.

Ours. My dh gets paid a Fri. We can't afford to do the week shop at once until UC comes. On a Tuesday so we get enough to last Fri to tue. Tue tk Fri because of how our finances and bills are. That's the best way we can do it.

Ooh! I dunno... maybe because the last thing anyone wants to do when they're ill is move out of their own home away from their family and spend two weeks entirely alone having to fend for themselves in a place with massively limited facilities? Just a guess.

That’s how I feel. DH and I couldn’t isolate away from each other at home but neither of us would expect the other to move out, we’d get on with it in the same way we usually do.

Also if we were both in isolation in some hotel who would look after the cat?

"It's really tragic that we've got a 13 pp thread of "just ideas" with no mention - I think - of better infection control in nosocomial settings."

Ah, that issue is not getting such prominence in the papers tonight! (Though in fact some posters on this thread have suggested spread in care homes and hospitals is a problem)

@CherryRoulade I’ve given up plenty thanks so you can fuck off with your judgemental comments.

They could restrict exercising to be done alone or with member of household/support bubble. (Incidentally, how can people genuinely be exercising while drinking a coffee?)

“ It’s funny we all want it to stop but don’t think increased safety measures should affect us or stop us doing exactly what we like.”

Oh I reckon you’ve picked an idea that probably affects you very little, it’s what everyone is doing

@CherryRoulade

RedToothBrush You police as used to happen, with vouchers. Why would Cumbrian folk need more trips out by car than people in Essex or Suffolk? It mine a slightly further distance but no greater frequency is needed. Easier to exercise somewhere remote and beautiful by foot too.

I’m not sure it’s me not engaging my brain. I live rurally too, as happens.

Try talking out your mouth rather than your arse.

Your 'ideas' are utterly ridiculous nonsense which dont acknowledge reality.

Hth

@Ellmau

They could restrict exercising to be done alone or with member of household/support bubble. (Incidentally, how can people genuinely be exercising while drinking a coffee?)

Can you not wall and drink at the same time?

@Ellmau when I go for a walk I could easily drink while I’m walking as I don’t walk that fast. It’s still exercise though (although probably not to some on here!)

Walking with a coffee is exercise. Walking while juggling is exercise. Walking while talking is exercise. Walking while laughing is exercise

There are around 160,000 mostly empty hotel rooms in London alone. Why aren't we using them to make it at least possible for people to isolate away from the people they live with?
So who goes?
Mom gets covid, do Dad and the 4 kids go to the hotel? What if they're asymptomatic? Do you test first? Chances are it's been spread before anyone knows they've got it.

What happens then if Dad gets it, he's already in the hotel, so what about the kids?

Or does the sick person get transported to the hotel and meals are delivered to the door three times a day?

So Mom gets it, goes to the hotel. Then Dad gets it. Goes to the hotel. Who's having the 4 kids under 10 whilst Mom and Dad are away?

Or do we just arbitrarily split up healthy households so anywhere there's more than 4 people living together, the excess gets the hotel room for the next 6 months?

I can walk and drink but I can’t walk and text.

Nurseries contribute almost nothing to infections (many have been open for months without a single case). Completely disproportionate to close them across the board. At most, get families to agree to more stringent isolation if they want to send their children. It is ridiculous to force parents back to supervising pre school age children when parents are themselves WFH and have zero outside contact = no risk of infection. Keep them open!

Actually I don’t think just making rooms available would be a problem, if people weren’t forced to take them. I think some households with vulnerable people might find it easier and less stressful to have that option if a non-vulnerable member tested positive

Isolation hotels on the horizon possibly.

I’m not on board with that, and if they remove the single parent support bubble I’ll start breaking the law.

Here ive got an idea.

All supermarkets and anywhere that sells anything including online should close for 7 days starting in an hour. No deliveries apart from notification of your covid vaccination appointment are allowed.

If youve not got enough supplies in, tough shit. You can eek it out on grass and dog poo from the local park. If you havent got petrol in your car, get on your fucking bike. No exceptions including nhs workers.

Anyone leaving the house not in uniform or with visible NHS ID is open to being shot on site.

See anyone can spout nonsense.

At most, get families to agree to more stringent isolation if they want to send their children my friend seems her child to nursery because she's a doctor. How would your idea work? Best for the WFH Pele, not so much the key workers working the front line.

@Meredithgrey1

Today there were thousands of cars across the day, driving back and forward along the sea front, parking up anywhere, people meeting friends for picnics - saw a group of 6 adults sitting on a bench and wall with a large box of takeaway cakes and donuts and takeaway coffees, no social distancing, another standing round the back of a van where they had a picnic laid out, all leaning in for food. They were queuing for fish and chips and ice creams, in long queues standing close together, same at coffee shops, going across to queue at the public loos. There was nowhere left to park and many cars were parked on verges, grass patches, double yellow lines.The beach was really busy - some people were playing volleyball, some had lit fires and were cooking. It's madness.

Is this a joke? It’s bloody freezing, even without Covid you couldn’t drag me to a beach in this weather. (Missing the point I know)

Nope. Tynemouth. Heaving. Car parks full all round village and beaches.

@Sitt

Actually I don’t think just making rooms available would be a problem, if people weren’t forced to take them. I think some households with vulnerable people might find it easier and less stressful to have that option if a non-vulnerable member tested positive

Ok so Dad is positive, mom is CEV so she goes to the hotel with the kids. What happens if she then tests positive? Where are they cooking and eating their clothes?

SleepingStandingUp relax and read what I said - I said the option. I’m not advocating it or saying it should be compulsory. Just an option for some people where it might be easier for them. In your scenario it wouldn’t work obviously