Why don't students respect the stay home message?

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Simple really. Universities are not open for the vast majority unless veterinary etc.....yet many are turning up already...

Falmouth 200 students back despite University not open....

Why don't they follow guidelines...

Aibu they can do what they like
Yanbu they should follow the guidelines and stay at home

@MsAwesomeDragon

Some students need to see doctors and get prescriptions. If they are registered in their university city, as many of them are, they can't see a doctor at home unless they re register at the surgery there, which is difficult if you don't have recent proof of address, which you don't because you live in university city. And while the appointment may be over the phone, the prescription will be delivered to a local pharmacy, in uni town. If all your medical stuff is in uni town and you have a chronic condition you need to live there.

Cant they get temporary registration where they are now? (DD was able to see a doctor and get a prescription with little trouble when she had tonsillitis during an internship neither at home or uni one summer a couple of years ago). It may be more straightforward to stay put in uni accommodation but access to medical services really oughtnt to be an insuperable issue either way round.

Fwiw DD decided to get a shared house with friends this year rather than college accommodation - she's been in her uni town since august and won't be back here till after she graduates in July. This makes perfect sense for her. Obviously everyone's circumstances are different, but IMO all uni accommodation should have stayed fully open so more could stay put in the Xmas vac rather than travelling around the country.

honestly the question should be why don't the over 50s stay at home! they're the ones at most risk yet they're the ones i see daily out and about. most people over 70-80 i know are very defiant against virus and refusing to hide away. maybe we should be asking why we are not forcing them to follow the rules.

Hmmm to the deferring comment, most students and parents aren’t psychic. We didn’t know this situation was going to go on as long as it had.
A lot of them have had a really shite uni experience and will be paying for it for many years. Most students are the age that are most effected by the mental health side of things.

My DD went back two days before term started and just before the third Lockdown. She is a Vet student and along with medics are expected to go back as their courses are exceptional and are still going ahead. There are only 4 other students out of 10 in her halls flat and they are all vets as the other students have been told to stay at home. She is at a well known red brick Uni. The campus is very quiet as med students are on a separate campus so it’s only Vet students there. No one else has returned. The ones who have not returned do not get a refund on their accommodation fees which is hugely unfair.
They still have to abide by all the rules (as they should! ) So only mix with the students in their household and their teaching group. Nothing is open on campus eg bars, dining halls, gym etc. The Library is open and the teaching rooms. The catering provisions were cancelled so they must self cater in shared kitchens not designed for multiple students self catering. They are most definitely not going out partying (who can!) and certainly not having any kind of usual student experiences. But she feels lucky she can still carry on with her course. Many friends from home at other unis on non ‘exceptional’ courses are stuck at home still paying for Uni. It is a tough time for them . The have already been through the A level fiasco in the Summer and now this. It’s very sad cut them some slack!

Errol you'd think so wouldn't you? It worked fine like that 2 years ago, but a) that was an acute contrition that needed to be seen straight away, and b) that wasn't during covid. We've tried with dd, she needed to completely re register back at our home surgery with photo ID and proof of address, but she actually doesn't have either at home with her. She doesn't have any proof of address at our home because she doesn't have any bills coming to our home, they are all email or go to uni house. . It's definitely not as easy to access routine medical care for chronic conditions this year.

They think they are entitled to the whole uni life thing Most won’t even use the degree but 3 years of parties and drink are their right

@PaddingtonsSister I hope you never need medical treatment in a few years. As those same students will be the ones looking after you. Due to the Uni stuff they are doing now. And the next vaccines and drugs will come from the scientists studying now. What do you suggest ? They do human dissection at home ? Or cook up some nice dangerous chemicals on the hob ? Some people have a v strange idea of what happens at Uni. Yes social side is important but they are not getting that. Just studying their butts off in v difficult circumstances.

PaddingtonsSister You are talking rubbish.

@user1471565182

Anybody bored of the endless attacks on young people yet, whilst they're simultaneously expected to pay for this government's and older generation's shit?

Quite.

Most students have two homes, so they can go to whichever one they want, in my view. If they prefer to be in their uni digs, that's up to them.

@Paddingtonsister as a mother of a DD in a her first year of a vet med degree and another DD who graduated this Summer and is working extremely hard at a job in her field and as someone who works with ALevel students you are So wrong what a ridiculous comment to make!

Let’s hope you do not need a dr, surgeon, Vet , engineer, nurse, architect, scientist, accountant and the list goes on in the future!!

@PaddingtonsSister

They think they are entitled to the whole uni life thing Most won’t even use the degree but 3 years of parties and drink are their right

You havn't a clue. Yes, a small proportion of students are there for partying etc., but the majority are there for the education/experience. It's not acceptable to tar everyone with the same brush in anything except for when it comes to Uni students where it seems they're fair game. Like everything else, you notice the noisy/loud ones, and don't notice the majority who fade into the background not causing any trouble/nuisance. People like you are insulting the majority who are behaving and don't deserve the vitriol.

Mine decided to stay where she is mainly because she can work better there. Some of her housemates are on the same course so they can discuss things, watch lectures together sometimes etc.She's incredibly diligent. If she was here she'd be policing my bedtime and telling us to turn the TV down after 10pm.

I think they're planning on some unbridled hedonism today and walking to the botanic gardens.

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer - I found it depressing mostly because people (who posted in support of the students, often) referred to 'paying £9k per year for substandard teaching ... two pre-recorded videos per week etc. ... no support' etc.

It breaks my heart that there are students unsupported, not receiving the teaching they need to make progress. It also breaks my heart to have the entire sector generalised about in this way when most of us are working harder than we've ever worked before (and competitive academic careers are typically 50- to 60-hour-per-week jobs in normal times). For example I was up marking in the early morning ;) We are really sorry that some students are struggling, and dissatisfied, and we're really keen to try and make things better when we can.

My child pays thousands for term time rent and has to be there for the part time work (in small convenience branch of a supermarket chain) to pay that rent.

Loans don’t cover much of living costs, so just staying home isn’t an option (much as I would prefer to have him here).

On the subject of GPs, many now don’t have capacity for new patients temporary or otherwise.

Surely it’s safer for everyone for students to stay at uni

There they mix with largely their own age group which is low risk - so what if they get it - they’re unlikely to have major symptoms and if they do they won’t be mixing with the vulnerable so it’s not the issue

It’s the cross generational mixing that’s the issue - which is why most transmission related to hospitals happens via work and bubbles

If all students are only mixing with same age then I don’t see issue

Someone who’s at work all week then In bubble with elderly parents - they’re the ones causing the hospital admissions

Primarily because we have been raising multiple generations of entitled people and that's now trickled fully though to the younger generations.

My DC are no longer students but many of their friends are. The vast majority went back straight after Christmas before the lockdown. They live in private rentals and their stuff is there. They came home with a few things expecting to spend a week at home. Its nothing to do with partying, although I have every sympathy for them preferring to be cooped up with others their own age instead of family.
Posters raging about over 50s. How old do you think the parents of students are ? I was 61 when youngest finished uni.

[quote SchnitzelVonCrummsTum]@RufustheSniggeringReindeer - I found it depressing mostly because people (who posted in support of the students, often) referred to 'paying £9k per year for substandard teaching ... two pre-recorded videos per week etc. ... no support' etc.

It breaks my heart that there are students unsupported, not receiving the teaching they need to make progress. It also breaks my heart to have the entire sector generalised about in this way when most of us are working harder than we've ever worked before (and competitive academic careers are typically 50- to 60-hour-per-week jobs in normal times). For example I was up marking in the early morning ;) We are really sorry that some students are struggling, and dissatisfied, and we're really keen to try and make things better when we can.[/quote]
Oh sorry

I completely misunderstood

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@MotherExtraordinaire so did you spend your Xmas working on COVID ICU ? Because that's what my 'entitled' young person did. And is now going to be volunteering to give the vaccine. You doing that too ? Watch who you call entitled.

Would you pay thousands of pounds in rent for your home and then not fucking live there!!

Maybe because it is their HOME!

And you'd think after a year of this bullshit these students are pretty much read up on the whole "wont get to party in Uni like their predecessors did" line & much resigned to that fact.

But you know, clearly their entire aim in life is to go around killing grannies

Why is it if anyone sees some one under the age of 30 out and about, clearly they dont care about the grannies dying (never grandad though, weird).

I cant believe how bloody small minded covid has made people, not to mention this virus seems to have a magical ability to remove the empathy chip in vast amounts of people.

Some don't have space at home to work so easier in their house or flat at Uni. My niece went back for this reason plus she likes the peace and quiet. Her flat is in the centre of town so getting food etc is easy. She's not breaking any Covid regulations

^What I don't get is students in their first ye and their parents
Why the hell they didn't defer with the pandemic on god only knows - surely that would be much more sensible^

@Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst - what do you anticipate all these 1st year students were going to do for this year? There is no travel, and jobs are in scare supply and being applied for by thousands of others who have lost their jobs. OTOH, my dd has been at university, learning all she needs to on her course, getting excellent (if somewhat different) teaching, meeting new friends, learning to live independently from her parents. When life returns to some sort of normality, she will have a degree, rather than have been sitting on her backside for a couple of years.

Why travel half way across the country to sit in a student flat as opposed to your family home
See the 200 odd replies above.

Great posts by @SchnitzelVonCrummsTum

Fair play to Propsneeded for coming back to agree to her unreasonableness.

Because the rest of the family might have risk factors like working frontline ?

They should be staying at home anyway.

Maybe it's as simple as they pay rent so that's their home...?

Or maybe... because their parents don't want them at their house? Because they have to share a room with a sibling? Because they don't have a quiet place to work at their parents? Because they need access to uni buildings like labs, studios or the library? Because they have part time jobs in the area? Because their course involves frontline work? Because they never went "home" at Christmas in the first place? Because they're adults and don't want to sponge off their parents? Because their parents are cev?

Honestly what a dumb question.