Why don't students respect the stay home message?

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Simple really. Universities are not open for the vast majority unless veterinary etc.....yet many are turning up already...

Falmouth 200 students back despite University not open....

Why don't they follow guidelines...

Aibu they can do what they like
Yanbu they should follow the guidelines and stay at home

I didn’t count karen cos she posted before I finished

Do we expect other 20 and 21 year olds who have moved out to move back home with their mum and dad for an indefinite amount of time?

So long as they follow the rules once back in their shared household, I think it should be up to them. They are adults and they have paid for the accommodation. Some of them even have jobs in there University town.

For some it will be more motivating to study from their bedroom in a house with others doing the same.

We need to stop pretending that all teenagers and young people are more selfish and rule breaking than the rest of the population. There have been studies out recently which show the reverse.

We're in North Cornwall, lots of local kids go down to Falmouth for Uni. In normal times they stay there for months on end, they are part of your community. Our bigger problem here, like you, is the second homers, Airbnb lot that have arrived - pop back to the south east for the dentist/vaccine/important meeting then come back down.
We went from low rates, to someone spreading it around 'picking up a few bits' before 'isolating'.
We also have a problem with the second home owners not having a support network and the usual medicine cabinet stuff you have in your main home, so they 'nip' out to the chemist and then change their mind and go to the supermarket for a few treats.... That's the sense of entitlement and risk you should be getting angry at OP.

So are they going back to their accomodation to stay at home there?
So they will study from home there, and only go out to shop and so on?
Because that would be within the rules.
It may be easier for them to study from their own space. Maybe they do not have internet at home? Or their books and desk are at the uni accomodation? Or they hapve sibblings at home? Making noise and taking space? God you made me remember how difficult it was to study surrounded by others!
If they are following the rules in their uni accomodation, then you are unreasonable to have an issue with this.
If they are having parties or breaching the rules, then report.
It does though pose an issue with public transport, as another vector of transmission, if they are using it to get back.
BJ said they will look into uni students accomodation regarding some no using it, so they do not lose all that money.
Maybe they should have considered a staggered return or incentives to be driven back by their families if possible? But other than a higher number of public transport users that maybe should be managed, I see no issue with them returning.

Mine has gone back because he now has a small bedroom here with no desk and can’t properly study. He’s more at risk of getting the virus being here (with my job) than being in a shared house with other students who are learning remotely. His books are also at his university accommodation which he needs for exams.

Why would he stay here in a tiny room with no desk, when he is paying huge amounts of money each week for a room with a desk and all his study stuff in?!

@marshmallowfluffy

Because they are paying rent? Because it's easier to socially distance away from home? Because the rest of the family might have risk factors like working frontline ? Because their employers might want them back in work?

This.

My DD and one of her flat mates are back at uni because their courses have started.

The other flatmate is back because she shares a bedroom at home and has no where quiet to study.

Another friend is back because she needs to use the lab facilities for her course.

None of them are affecting you OP in any way. Apart from doing their courses or food shopping they stay at home.

If you are staying home as you’ve been told by the government then you will never meet them.

I assume, OP, that you want the next generation of heath care staff, teachers, scientists etc to be trained? This is what it involves.

The 200 students may be on courses that are exempt from government restrictions due to the practical components. Most of the exempt courses lead to key worker jobs so if you stop those students completing their degrees there will be greater shortages of qualified nurses etc.

What I don't get is students in their first ye and their parents
Why the hell they didn't defer with the pandemic on god only knows - surely that would be much more sensible

Harder for students mid course but if all teaching is online for your course you should be at your "home" address no student accommodation (which should be being refunded, along with at least 50% of the fees!)
Why travel half way across the country to sit in a student flat as opposed to your family home

The guidance is fairly simple I'm not getting why universities are allowing them back into campus

@Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst and so what? There are very few jobs available, they can’t travel, and in through the summer and into September society was opening up and they were encouraged to go back with all kinds of promises of as normal a university experience as possible. The whole system would fall apart if everyone deferred en masse!

Sorry should be and ‘do’ what!

Why the hell they didn't defer with the pandemic on

Because the competition for places will be much fiercer in autumn 2021 and onwards -- due to higher birthrates of incoming freshers, and those who did defer, and possibly lower funding from govt for places.

And then there are the wee problems of no jobs for young people... and the fact that we need fresh new graduates to come thru each year in nursing, policing, engineering, teaching... to try to reduce the terrible shortages already existing in those professions.

I read that some Unis are suspending teaching courses now. There literally will be huge teacher shortages rolling up for a while, because enough occupational experience will be impossible to get in 2021 for people to qualify.

For many their Uni accommodation is their hone
Mine both went back
It was legal and it was what they wanted to do

OP, my DD is back at Uni. She is doing nursing - so in the future will be caring for your old ungrateful ass while paying off the cost of this her entire working life. Why hate on young people? Think on.

I think we forget that some of these students are trainee medical students helping to keep you alive in hospital, nurses holding the hands of people dying all alone, physios helping you breathe again after ventilation, paramedics coming out to you when you can't breathe at home, accountants learning how to keep businesses going in one of the hardest economic environments, scientists paving the way for faster and better vaccines and health care....do I need to go on?

We shut these students at home and don't give them the proper education that they are needing and our future generations are a bit screwed.

Yes I know 2 university students who worked in hospitals through lock down.

Mine’s going back tomorrow.
Why?
He rents a house there.
His things are there.
His GP is there.
He needs to start his dissertation.

Mine worked as an HCA doing 13.5 hour shifts in full PPE on COVID ICU over Xmas. I think if she can do that then she can go back to Uni in the house she pays rent for. Oh and in the city she will be giving the vaccine to hundreds of people next week.
Her plans include walking with her housemates and dog walking for her doctor neighbours. She hasn't been to a party/pub since January last year like all her friends.

Why the hell they didn't defer with the pandemic on god only knows - surely that would be much more sensible

What about next year's students? Would they have had to defer too, to allow room for the ones that deferred this year?

My son had already deferred a year...

@Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst

What I don't get is students in their first ye and their parents Why the hell they didn't defer with the pandemic on god only knows - surely that would be much more sensible

Harder for students mid course but if all teaching is online for your course you should be at your "home" address no student accommodation (which should be being refunded, along with at least 50% of the fees!)
Why travel half way across the country to sit in a student flat as opposed to your family home

The guidance is fairly simple I'm not getting why universities are allowing them back into campus

Unis want them back on campus so they can't claim refunds on their accommodation costs.

Re the option of deferment - lots of Unis promised "blended learning" and lots of activities still going ahead. They didn't see nearly everything would be closed and some course would be 100% online until after the deadline for committing to the course and accommodation. They basically lied. There is a website where you can see historic webpages. It clearly shows some unis changed their webpages literally a day or two after the commitment date - they can't blame the covid situation changing because the numbers weren't starting to rise etc until later.

DS knows a couple of students (first year) who asked to defer. University said no.

They didn't SAY not see

Unis didn't want people to defer. They'd have had no income from their own accommodation and would have lost huge amounts of income from lost tuition fees. For unis, it's all about money these days, not the welfare/benefit of the students.

Some students need to see doctors and get prescriptions. If they are registered in their university city, as many of them are, they can't see a doctor at home unless they re register at the surgery there, which is difficult if you don't have recent proof of address, which you don't because you live in university city. And while the appointment may be over the phone, the prescription will be delivered to a local pharmacy, in uni town. If all your medical stuff is in uni town and you have a chronic condition you need to live there.

Ahhhh you're from Cornwall. People think they're so special and better in Cornwall bc of lower infection rates when it's just because of how isolated it is not because you're extra good. Grow up.