To ask if you're not getting the vaccine...

[Soitis83]

Then why? Just curious as to why some people will not get it

BooFuckingHoo2 you dont need to repeat or reiterate for my benefit. I saw your response the first time. It wont make me change my mind. And I dont want you to change yours.

@NothingICanDo

"Also nobody can be sure this vaccine can do anything for these mutated strains and any future mutations"

Both Pfizer and Oxford have confirmed that their vaccine is effective against the mutations. They are studying the mutations in other Coronaviruses and flu and already working on next years vaccine. We will have a new vaccine every year just as we do for the different flu mutations.

I won’t be having it

@ragged

It hasn't been offered...

I intend to decline this year and before I'm much older because

• I am not afraid of the illness. I don't seek out flu jabs each year, either, or generally make huge efforts to avoid catching germs.

• I am fed up with being told what to do for almost 1 year. I have a tiny bit of autonomy to reclaim.

This!

We will have a new vaccine every year just as we do for the different flu mutations

I didn't know this. Thanks.
But I have never had a flu jab in my life either as I've never had the flu.

I think I'll carry on as I always have.
Taking my chances

I've posted it below along with the consultants page, he is definitely worth following on Facebook

Thanks

Having spoken to my 38 year old colleague who is currently on oxygen on a ward I’m genuinely surprised at the naivety of some posters here. I’m yet to come across anyone clinical who isn’t having it and I think that speaks volumes. If the clinicians caring for covid patients have seen enough to decide it’s necessary even if they’re young and healthy then why do those with non medical / clinical degrees think they’ll magically be okay?

It's all a bit academic for most of us at the moment anyway. Once they do everyone over 50, the vulnerable, the health/care workers etc, then they'll eventually get to the healthy under 50. At which point people can make a decision. I don't really care - if they offer it for free I'll take it, if they decide that like flu the healthy unvulnerable have to pay I won't, unless I need one to get on a plane/ferry to go on holiday which is quite likely.

For me,I dont think i'll 'magically be ok' I'm just choosing to take the chance. That's all.

I would rather take my chances personally, which I’m 99% unlikely to die from it so I’m ok with taking the chance; it’s ok that others think differently to you!

Balance of risk, really. Given that you can be re-infected with Covid, the risk of long Covid/ complications /death each time would be different for everyone, but I’d think maybe worse just now due to stretched NHS, so for me about 3%, every tine I got it, increasing with age (asthma, an obscure blood vessel disorder, late 40’s, have had pneumonia a couple times before so generally “chesty”) if I caught it (new strain, once out of lockdown?).
Risk from vaccine is way lower - anaphylaxis (in predisposed people, which I’m not), car crash on way to vaccination centre (40 miles on icy road yesterday, so this was probably the highest risk for me!), Bells Palsy (very rare side effect, facial disfigurement for a year or so, I’m OK with risking that).
I felt “waiting a while” wasn’t useful - absolutely tiny risk of delayed reaction that hasn’t yet occurred , and what is “a while”? 5 years? Why not 10? Or 20? Particularly as at the moment risk from Covid is higher due to pressures on NHS.

So I got mine (due to my work), and am absolutely delighted.

@BooFuckingHoo2

There seems to be a misconception that you get to the vaccine, can no longer get covid and can whip your mask off and gondola the pubhmm. No you won’t be!

I haven’t seen anyone say this the idea is with mass vaccination we will hopefully be able to return to normal in the future.

I thought the vaccine stopped you getting symptoms as bad but not necessarily stopped you from contracting/passing it on? So really don't understand all the lunatics shouting 'selfish' to those saying no when the only ones affected will be the ones who refuse it

There is some evidence to suggest that it does reduce transmission. Also, common sense would suggest that if you’re not coughing then you’re less likely to pass it around.
As for “the only ones who’ll be affected are the ones who refuse it” are you joking?! We’re seeing the result of rampant Covid right now, if there is a low vaccine take up rate then we will ALL be affected.

Yes I'm serious. If the groups of vulnerable get vaccinated (right down to the 50+ group) I don't see how it would make a great deal of difference to vaccinate under 50's...if they catch it they won't spread it to the vulnerable as the vulnerable will be vaccinated won't they?

And still nobody gives a stuff about what happens when we've no functioning emergency medical care left for anyone? Which we're pretty much reaching in many places? Even if you don't give a stuff about everyone's wellbeing or children's futures, that's a nice selfish interest at least, surely? Anyone can have an accident or get sick unexpectedly.

What has happened so that people with zero knowledge of science or medicine think that they are actually managing to carry out credible 'research'? There's nothing wrong with trusting expert consensus on this and it's actually the sensible thing to do.

Yes I'm serious. If the groups of vulnerable get vaccinated (right down to the 50+ group) I don't see how it would make a great deal of difference to vaccinate under 50's...if they catch it they won't spread it to the vulnerable as the vulnerable will be vaccinated won't they?

Some people (I believe people on blood thinners for example) cannot have the vaccine, and the vaccine is not 100% effective, so yes, it would still be able to spread to vulnerable people.

There's nothing wrong with trusting expert consensus on this and it's actually the sensible thing to do

I absolutely agree.
I also agree there's nothing wrong with trusting your own judgement too and choosing what is right for you. Especially since it is a choice.

I also agree there's nothing wrong with trusting your own judgement too and choosing what is right for you.

Even to the detriment of society?

@Indoctro

Here is the original post for those who asked

www.facebook.com/648458407/posts/10159152469983408/?d=n

Plus a follow up post

www.facebook.com/648458407/posts/10159244070173408/?d=n

And the consultants Facebook page which you can follow as he posts publicly

He has been amazing through this pandemic, posting reassuring factual information all back up with links to where he got the information from

Tom Fardon is his name , thousands now follow him because of his covid information

www.facebook.com/tom.fardon.3

Looking at some of the responses to his posts it just makes you despair. (As do many on here)

You can post facts and proofs by experts and all you still get is but...but...but... even though their arguments are backed up by absolutely nothing.

They might as well join the Flat Earth Society and be done with it.

@NothingICanDo

Reasons I wont be getting it have all pretty much been mentioned by others.

But mainly its because
I never take flu jabs or any medication anyway that I can avoid. And I would prefer to take my chances.

Also wouldn't get.injected with somthing I dont know much about. I keep researching but finding conflicting ideas. Mew info every day etc.

We dont know anything for
sure...except that most recover

so that's why Im choosing to take my chances.

Also nobody can be sure this vaccine can do anything for these mutated strains and any future mutations so I just cant get on board with it now.

So, genuine question. Have you had all 'normal' vaccinations? Do you have children? Have they?

Just trying to understand where your line in the sand is.

@NothingICanDo

We will have a new vaccine every year just as we do for the different flu mutations

I didn't know this. Thanks.
But I have never had a flu jab in my life either as I've never had the flu.

I think I'll carry on as I always have.
Taking my chances

I have had flu once.

Hideous. Still didn't make me have the vaccine. Until this year. And I will have it every year from now on.

I have no desire to be ill if I don't have to be.

I am fed up with being told what to do for almost 1 year. I have a tiny bit of autonomy to reclaim

Oh FFS!!

This is the UK not North Korea. When this is over you'll be able to have all the autonomy you had before.

@NothingICanDo

There's nothing wrong with trusting expert consensus on this and it's actually the sensible thing to do

I absolutely agree.
I also agree there's nothing wrong with trusting your own judgement too and choosing what is right for you. Especially since it is a choice.

Going by some of the people 'trusting their own judgement' in this world today over that of actual real experts that is hogwash.

We're just moving this to the Coronavirus topic.

So, genuine question. Have you had all 'normal' vaccinations?
Do you have children? Have they?

Just trying to understand where your line in the sand is.

I've had all the usual childhood immunisations, courtesy of my parents.

I have no children of my own.

@NothingICanDo

There's nothing wrong with trusting expert consensus on this and it's actually the sensible thing to do

I absolutely agree.
I also agree there's nothing wrong with trusting your own judgement too and choosing what is right for you. Especially since it is a choice.

It's potentially not an informed choice. That's my point.