Is it me or was that yet ANOTHER 'lockdown lite'. ?

[llovetheshippingforecast]

As far as I can see , with the exception of a few areas in Tier 3 and schools closing , nothing has really changed. Except if you work in non key worker roles your life has just become exponentially more complicated?

If - for example you work in a fashion warehouse. Travel by public transport and have a couple of children at primary .. exactly HOW are you going to 'Stay home, Protect the NHS & Save Lives ' ?

Because - as far as I heard, yet again there was no MUST .. only the weasel words of ' should, where possible work from home' .. no order to close businesses. No mention of non essential workers required to be furloughed.. so tomorrow, all those people who can't work from home but haven't got 'key worker status' (so can't access schools) do WHAT exactly ?

Work 🤷🏽‍♀️
I work in a contact centre and everyone is expected in (except me as shielding)

So no. Hangs there then. Just a lot of parents (mostly women no doubt) forced to give up work in order to care for their children.

Sorry - fat fingers... So no change there then....

What else would you expect them to close?

Sure they could close takeaways but they dont actually appear to be a high risk area or driver of infection, so would be a pointless further hit to the economy just so that people dont complain about the lockdown not being strict enough.

It's not a lockdown, more a shutdown of education and leisure facilities

I agree. Clinically vulnerable still expected to go to work.

Schools round here are expecting all staff in, all of the time, to either teach children of key workers or run the remote learning from school classrooms and computing suites. That's a hell of a lot more adults in a school building than the entire number of children expected in. 'Work from home where possible' seems to have flown out of the window (or it would have if the classroom windows could actually open).

This time round, the guidelines are less clear and so can be bent further and further from what is safe.

They should be making furlough a right for one of the two parents or split between the two, as they did over here in Italy. They also gave money for childcare if furlough was not preferable to the parent. The money did come through retrospectively but it came! It's shameful that they are putting women under the bus like this.

@KitKatastrophe

What else would you expect them to close?

Sure they could close takeaways but they dont actually appear to be a high risk area or driver of infection, so would be a pointless further hit to the economy just so that people dont complain about the lockdown not being strict enough.

I would expect them to actually FACILITATE people to 'stay home, protect the NHS & Save Lives' !! Not just 'advise it' !! FFS !! Who the hell can just decide to stay home with the kids if they work in a non essential business and therefore don't qualify for child care ..

Or does Boris just expect parents to click their fingers and hand the dc over to 'nanny' while we they trot off to work ... all paid for by magic beans.

Last time was a success because people were compensated to stay home with furlough. But many businesses don't want to furlough. They don't care about anything other than profit. They won't shut unless told to - no matter what 'advice' is given. It needs to be mandatory. Then the uptake will change massively and actually have an effect.

This will do bugger all.

I’d also implement the policy used in Spain were DC under 14 were not allowed out at all for 2 months in order to keep people safe and save lives.
Do you seriously think this is a good idea? Or are you being sarcastic?

It didn't even work, Spain had a second wave same as everyone else, so those poor little kids were locked in apartments with no fresh air for months for nothing.

LoudTree do you have children ? If so I feel sorry for them having a parent who finds it ridiculous that they should be allowed to play or go for a walk, and thinks it is realistic and humane to lock them inside for 8 weeks.

@LoudTree, tell me again how that appalling policy helped control the virus in Spain...?

I think the issue is that this time round there's no real pressure for employers to use the furlough scheme. It's left to the employees to ask for it...in March they were slinging down the shutters. Now they aren't.

Children don't need to stay indoors. But our government do need to make it clear they expect employers to act responsibly

No one leaves home unless a key worker- no popping out for a bottle of wine, going for a walk or DC going out to play

I can't even tell what's serious and what's not on here anymore.
Are you seriously saying that people shouldn't be allowed to go out for a walk?!
And why the hell can I not get a bottle of wine when I go to the shops to get my milk/bread/bog roll etc?
DC would go for a walk with you, obviously - unless you're talking about kids meeting up in groups and if so I agree with you there, they shouldn't be doing that.

And where is the evidence that children going for a walk caused anyone to die. We know that virsl transmission is minimal outside, especially when 2m distance is adhered to and when you're walking past someone for a brief second.
Do you think everyone should be locked in their homes indefinitely, or is it just children who don't deserve human rights?

Yes I was waiting for him to mention furlough and he didn’t. Hopefully there will be more news tomorrow.

@LoudTree

Absolutely OP- what was needed was a proper lockdown. No one leaves home unless a key worker- no popping out for a bottle of wine, going for a walk or DC going out to play

Too many people are claiming to be key workers who are patently not. It should be very clear- unless you are a genuine key worker, stay the fuck at home. I can’t believe they’re allowing unlimited ‘exercise’.

I’d use the French system where a signed form is required to leave home- fines issued for those out for too long or too often.

I’d also implement the policy used in Spain were DC under 14 were not allowed out at all for 2 months in order to keep people safe and save lives.

You sound deranged

The way the Spanish government treated children was outrageous, especially in a country that professes to adore them

It’s about messaging @KitKatastrophe. If the government made very clear that the only acceptable reason for leaving home is essential work, they would stay the fuck at home.

Equally, there needs to be proper enforcement. Army and police on the streets issuing large fines to people caught outside their homes. Prison for second offenders.

Those that scream "it's not a hard enough lockdown" are generally the ones that are breaking the rules regularly.

@LoudTree

It’s about messaging *@KitKatastrophe. If the government made very clear that the only* acceptable reason for leaving home is essential work, they would stay the fuck at home.

Equally, there needs to be proper enforcement. Army and police on the streets issuing large fines to people caught outside their homes. Prison for second offenders.

Prison for second offenders... you do know the size of the current court backlog don't you?

If the government made very clear that the only acceptable reason for leaving home is essential work, they would stay the fuck at home. Equally, there needs to be proper enforcement. Army and police on the streets issuing large fines to people caught outside their homes. Prison for second offenders

Oh, give over. I say this as someone has stuck to the rules the whole time - you are being absolutely ridiculous.

@LoudTree

Absolutely OP- what was needed was a proper lockdown. No one leaves home unless a key worker- no popping out for a bottle of wine, going for a walk or DC going out to play

Too many people are claiming to be key workers who are patently not. It should be very clear- unless you are a genuine key worker, stay the fuck at home. I can’t believe they’re allowing unlimited ‘exercise’.

I’d use the French system where a signed form is required to leave home- fines issued for those out for too long or too often.

I’d also implement the policy used in Spain were DC under 14 were not allowed out at all for 2 months in order to keep people safe and save lives.

Oh, piss off

[quote LoudTree]@KitKatastrophe

I'd feel sorry for a DC being taught by a parent that their 'right' to go out for a walk or to play is more important than saving lives.

The DC in Spain were disciplined and understood that they had to stay indoors to keep others safe.

Here on the other hand we have people desperate to go out multiple times per day for non-essential reasons like walks or buying chocolate bars [/quote]

Fuck me

@LoudTree
So not about saving lives then. You said my right to go for a walk is less important than saving lives. But going for a walk has no bearing on saving lives, we should lock our children away because then it looks like we are trying hard. I'm not buying that argument.

It must be really disappointing for you to live in a democratic country which isn't under marital law