Page 4 | Is it me or was that yet ANOTHER 'lockdown lite'. ?

llovetheshippingforecast · 2021-01-04T22:52:16+00:00

As far as I can see , with the exception of a few areas in Tier 3 and schools closing , nothing has really changed. Except if you work in non key worker roles your life has just become exponentially more complicated? If - for example you work in a fashion warehouse. Travel by public transport and have a couple of children at primary .. exactly HOW are you going to 'Stay home, Protect the NHS & Save Lives ' ? Because - as far as I heard, yet again there was no MUST .. only the weasel words of ' should, where possible work from home' .. no order to close businesses. No mention of non essential workers required to be furloughed.. so tomorrow, all those people who can't work from home but haven't got 'key worker status' (so can't access schools) do WHAT exactly ?

lockeddownandcrazy · 05/01/2021 06:44

Stopping groups socialising - teens particularly, but all ages - is surely the key.

'furlough a right for one of the two parents' as someone suggested is rubbish - who is paying for all these people to stay at home and do nothing?

nebbish11 · 05/01/2021 06:54

To the original question, yes it is 'Lockdown Lite', I think because:

No proper quarantine on arrival in the UK (stay in hotel, Jeremy Hunt suggested this yesterday)
Unlimited exercise, not once a day, or better still, only where you can walk or cycle (think of visitors to the Brecon Beacons or Derbyshire National Park)
No real attempt at enforcement (points on driving licence, travel bans could all be ways)
'Elite' sport continuing (far too many footballers especially have been offenders)
No closure of garden centres, or restricted shop hours

It's also 3 weeks later than it should have been, so will continue for longer as a result.

Remmy123 · 05/01/2021 06:58

Wow - still not happy mumsnetters??? You want everyone locked in? School closure not good enough for you then?

Our kids education for many, is screwed.

Government cannot furlough the majority of the population any more.

We have to have businesses open to keep our economy afloat.

Suggesting not letting an under 14 out at all for 2 months is just suicide. Whoever said that then you are one horrible selfish person!!!!

joystir59 · 05/01/2021 06:59

Perhaps children will have to be left home alone? Teach them to be responsible and know what to do in an emergency, not answer the door to anyone, not use the cooker etc. That's better than adults not earning the money needed for the family to survive and keep the roof over their heads.

joystir59 · 05/01/2021 07:02

I'm a cleaner supporting essential service providers. I'm still going to work and have done throughout the pandemic.

HappyChristmasTreeRex · 05/01/2021 07:03

I agree it's not a proper lockdown. Bubbles allowed, nurseries allowed etc, really quite different to the first one. Only time will tell how effective it will be.

Littleposh · 05/01/2021 07:05

There's nothing 'lite' about it. Some of you people really need to seek psychological help, responses like some of these are disturbing but there is help available for you

Pumpertrumper · 05/01/2021 07:05

It’s an impossible situation if you are a non key worker who can’t WFH and has small children. Unless your company is able to furlough you.

Very frustrating how many people think furlough is just an option though! Company’s have to be able to evidence that they don’t have the need/demand for you to work. It was created to stop businesses having to make redundancy’s or go bankrupt when demand dwindled. So if you work in a warehouse of a store getting mass online orders or in customer service getting loads of calls you can’t just ‘get furloughed’ because you have a three kids under 5 at home.

Makes me so sad as if I wasn’t on mat leave I would 100% be at the mercy of my employer and would realistically have to quit my job overnight, DH is an intensive care doctor and I’m not even a key worker. With a baby at home we would have no other option!

inquietant · 05/01/2021 07:06

@Pluckedpencil

They should be making furlough a right for one of the two parents or split between the two, as they did over here in Italy. They also gave money for childcare if furlough was not preferable to the parent. The money did come through retrospectively but it came! It's shameful that they are putting women under the bus like this.

Yes we could use a lot more support to make this work.

I really want it to work so schools open again in a sensible way with low levels of circulating virus.

I fear though that schools will not reopen after half term.

inquietant · 05/01/2021 07:08

@joystir59

Perhaps children will have to be left home alone? Teach them to be responsible and know what to do in an emergency, not answer the door to anyone, not use the cooker etc. That's better than adults not earning the money needed for the family to survive and keep the roof over their heads.

at what age? This is not an acceptable solution, and shows how fucked this country is if that is where we are - back in Victorian Britain!

KitKatastrophe · 05/01/2021 07:10

@nebbish11

To the original question, yes it is 'Lockdown Lite', I think because:

No proper quarantine on arrival in the UK (stay in hotel, Jeremy Hunt suggested this yesterday)
Unlimited exercise, not once a day, or better still, only where you can walk or cycle (think of visitors to the Brecon Beacons or Derbyshire National Park)
No real attempt at enforcement (points on driving licence, travel bans could all be ways)
'Elite' sport continuing (far too many footballers especially have been offenders)
No closure of garden centres, or restricted shop hours

It's also 3 weeks later than it should have been, so will continue for longer as a result.

I agree with some of your points. However I keep seeing "restricted shopping hours" as a suggestion. Please can you explain why this would be desirable?

Surely the more you restrict hours, the more people would cram into the shop during those hours. We should be looking to extend the hours as much as possible and encouraging those who can, to go shopping in the middle of the night.

KitKatastrophe · 05/01/2021 07:11

@joystir59

Perhaps children will have to be left home alone? Teach them to be responsible and know what to do in an emergency, not answer the door to anyone, not use the cooker etc. That's better than adults not earning the money needed for the family to survive and keep the roof over their heads.

15 year olds maybe. 5 year olds, obviously not.

Pastanred · 05/01/2021 07:14

OP the guidance about work now is the same as last March

People were allowed to work then - it wasn't mandatory then either - the difference then was businesses weren't covid secure which forced many to close til all the procedures were put in place

Not because they were forced to

That's why so many opened come April/May

Businesses already have procedures in place so wont go back to March

EssentialHummus · 05/01/2021 07:18

I agree with nebbish. And it'll just drag the whole sorry show out longer. How, 10 months in, do we not have a handle on quarantining visitors? Because it's not like a new even more transmissible strain could develop in another part of world and - oh wait.

Also, nurseries and ey. IMO they are staying open because many are private businesses and the gov't doesn't want to pay for them to shut and for parents to come out of work to care for their young DC. There is transmission happening in nursery settings if you look at the data. Obviously for most parents it is near-impossible to take care of a baby/toddler while working so people are sending their kids in but it's a fucking gaping hole of transmission and staff thrown under a bus. (Yes I have a toddler who I'm keeping out, one parent is a KW, the other works a demanding role from home and we'll juggle care.) Again, it'll likely just go on longer.

Napqueen1234 · 05/01/2021 07:19

@lockeddownandcrazy

Stopping groups socialising - teens particularly, but all ages - is surely the key.

'furlough a right for one of the two parents' as someone suggested is rubbish - who is paying for all these people to stay at home and do nothing?

By do nothing @lockeddownandcrazy I assume you mean care for their children full time while home schooling? Parents don’t ask to be furloughed so they can sit around all day for gods sake.

For those saying it’s a lockdown light im gutted the schools are closed but I think we have each time trodden a better path between lockdown and allowing people ways to preserve their mental health and maintain health and fitness than many other countries (who have experienced just the same second waves etc as us eg Spain, France).

MrsMap · 05/01/2021 07:33

No- being allowed to leave home is a privilege, not a right

This is possibly the scariest post I've ever seen. The ease at which some people have fallen into such extreme positions! The way that people who desire freedom are now enemies is crazy. Utterly, utterly crazy.

kowari · 05/01/2021 07:34

Here on the other hand we have people desperate to go out multiple times per day for non-essential reasons like walks or buying chocolate bars
They could just stop selling any food or drinks that attract VAT as non essential. So, chocolate, alcohol and so on .

Mulhollandmagoo · 05/01/2021 07:49

Completely agree, I work as a receptionist Inna car dealership but we are remaining open for 'click and collect' so everyone in 🤷‍♀️

thedancingbear · 05/01/2021 07:51

Just popping out for a run now. Laters OP!!!

thedancingbear · 05/01/2021 07:52

No- being allowed to leave home is a privilege, not a right

Fuck. me.

userxx · 05/01/2021 07:56

No- being allowed to leave home is a privilege, not a right

You can fuck right off with that warped mindset.

borntohula · 05/01/2021 07:57

@thedancingbear

No- being allowed to leave home is a privilege, not a right

Fuck. me.

Yeah wtaf? Do people really think like this? I wish these people could fuck off to another country with much harsher leadership, sounds as though they would thrive.

Yoshinori · 05/01/2021 08:04

This thread just proves there are people to take great joy in seeing people’s freedom and liberties with stripped away.

I suspect they never had any sort of “life” before COVID and now everyone has to be bored and stuck in their house, the quite enjoy it.

Pathetic.

Napqueen1234 · 05/01/2021 08:04

[quote LoudTree]@bugwife9

No- being allowed to leave home is a privilege, not a right. Too many people have abused that privilege and broken the rules- which is why we are now in this situation.

As a result, there need to be harsh consequences and that should include the removal of the right to leave home.[/quote]
@LoudTree Jesus Christ will you listen to yourself? Leaving your home is a privilege?! Bet you were rubbing your hands with glee at those children being welded into their flats in China.

borntohula · 05/01/2021 08:08

@Yoshinori

This thread just proves there are people to take great joy in seeing people’s freedom and liberties with stripped away.

I suspect they never had any sort of “life” before COVID and now everyone has to be bored and stuck in their house, the quite enjoy it.

Pathetic.

I think you're absolutely spot on.