What a joke....Liverpool mayor wants nationwide lock down

[HappyNewYear2021]

Just on BBC news the mayor of Liverpool wants a nationwide lock down again! Even in areas with low transmission to help areas like Liverpool who don't appear to help themselves anyway.
What financial planet do these people live on.

@HappyNewYear2021

Just on BBC news the mayor of Liverpool wants a nationwide lock down again! Even in areas with low transmission to help areas like Liverpool who don't appear to help themselves anyway. What financial planet do these people live on.

What do you mean by “ who don’t appear to help themselves” exactly?

I’m not from Liverpool, but I’d like to know what you’re getting at.

I’ll don my hard hat and give one example of where “Liverpool did not help itself”

Restaurants like San Carlo allowing groups of girls in for a meal together who clearly weren’t from the same household or support bubble.

Places like Dash allowing groups in, again as above, obviously not from the same household/bubble, for drinks only, as long as they kept an empty plate in front of them.

Seen it with my own eyes.

This ole Liverpool bashing rhetoric again, eh? I think you should stop letting tabloid paper inform your views OP.

What an ignorant and prejudice comment to make.

Liverpool people have been queuing in their drones to get tested and everyone I know is sticking to the rules and being safe.

We will most probably go into full lock down again anyway. Please don't scapegoat us again.

I dont believe there are any mainland English areas that have a low incidence. 100-200/100000 may be lower than some but is not low! There are areas of rural Scotland that are still low. The problem with the infection rate being so high is that there is no capacity to get on with vaccinating. It seems like the government are waiting until people start calling for lockdown, just like in March. Maybe the truth is that the new strain is so infectious that lockdown won’t work

when people say lockdown what do they actually want? - currently in tier 4 areas with schools delayed, we are in a lockdown surely?!

workplaces have always been allowed to open -even in march lockdown - the only reason they closed is because they weren't set up as covid secure given how new the virus was.

Even in full lockdown workplaces are able to stay open so very few will now close as theyre covid secure

so what do people mean by lockdown as we are currently in one as far as i can see?

im liverpool and will agree san carlo was disgusting throughout - all i every saw were groups and not students either

If the 4 month lockdown had worked we wouldn’t be in this position now. All it did was delay the numbers.

The November lockdown just made numbers rise and now in tier 4 the numbers are going through the roof

@Daisy829

A doctor I know who works at one of the major hospitals has suggested we do a 3 month lockdown, vaccinate & this would all be over. Not ideal but I would take that if it meant getting some normality back quickly. I think by end of jan we will probs be in lockdown again.

Totally support this!

Sadly people know more now and just aren't scared of covid anymore

Plus people are bored

Whilst workplaces are open peoples perception is one of feeling fine about mixing. I don't know a single person not at work.

@BornIn78

I’ll don my hard hat and give one example of where “Liverpool did not help itself”

Restaurants like San Carlo allowing groups of girls in for a meal together who clearly weren’t from the same household or support bubble.

Places like Dash allowing groups in, again as above, obviously not from the same household/bubble, for drinks only, as long as they kept an empty plate in front of them.

Seen it with my own eyes.

I'm not arguing with that, I totally believe it happened. BUT...it's not confined to Liverpool. In my town, before we went into tier 4 from 3, lots of groups of young women and young men wandering round, in the shops without being stopped, sitting in massive groups with their take away coffees (or bottles of something alcoholic when they thought the security guards weren't looking), no masks and also not being stopped.

Just because it has happened in Liverpool doesn't mean it has ONLY happened in Liverpool.

What an ignorant and prejudice comment to make.

This.

I'm in a low area but welcomed going into tier 3 as I'd like it to stay low. If it takes tier 4 or lockdown then I'll welcome that as well.

@Feedingthebirds1im not saying it only happens in Liverpool, but it has happened.

I can name a whole bunch more bars and restaurants. No attempt whatsoever to check where people were coming from, you could phone up and book a table for 6 and not get asked if you were all from the same household or within the Tier. They were sharing people’s group photos on their social media that they were tagged in - you can’t get much more blatant than that.

It would probably be quicker to name the handful of places that were making an attempt to stick to the rules.

I dont believe there are any mainland English areas that have a low incidence. 100-200/100000 may be lower than some but is not low! There are areas of rural Scotland that are still low. Torbay was still well under 100/100000 last time I looked but it won't stay that way for long. South Hams and Teignbridge were low but now over 100/100000 so I think Torbay will join them soon.

Re the San Carlo comments. I think there is an element of businesses, as soon as they are allowed to open, just trying to make as much money as they can, while they can. Were they required to check addresses etc to see if people are from the same family or not? Or whether they had travelled from a different tier? I dont think they were. They have lost so much money over these months I imagine it would be hard to start turning people away at the door when they turn up knowing they would just go somewhere else.
You can see from photos in the press that when hospitality has been open, groups of friends have been out together, this has been UK wide. Maybe more stringent rules should have been put in place with fines for restaurants, pubs etc to stop this happening. I imagine it would be very hard to implement though.

@Daisy829

My family live in a country that had strict lockdowns for 3 months

They have been partying all through Christmas now. I remember in March. They went out for a walk and got escorted home by police. I remember thinking at the time. Oh wow. How sad. But they are reaping the benefits now

The San Carlo example is true. But then again it’s across all fields of hospitality. Places that enforced the rules by the book soon found themselves being avoided. The self absorbed Instagram slaves who can’t stand not being able to socialise created a problem and these venues provided a solution.

Look at Dubai, all the scumbags have gone there for New Year, it’s like covid soup. The government should stick them all in internment camps on their return because I guarantee that much mingling between nationalities will create another super mutant version.

Liverpool should have been Tier 3 like Manchester from the start because the fucks from Mcr and other T3 places all congregated in Liverpool. I’d guess the gyms in L and full of Mancs right now too, will they be turned away? Of course not they’ll be welcomed with open alms.

One day we will learn the lesson but it’ll be too late by then.

Re the San Carlo comments. I think there is an element of businesses, as soon as they are allowed to open, just trying to make as much money as they can, while they can

Doesn’t this make the case for not shutting hospitality so they could then operate properly as there wouldn’t be the rush to get as many people in before being shut again.

Doesn’t this make the case for not shutting hospitality so they could then operate properly as there wouldn’t be the rush to get as many people in before being shut again.

Chicken and egg, if they just operated properly and within the rules in the first place, would they need to be shut again?

Look I understand this tough for ppl, and after taking advice from the medical business and other important departments.
We need to understand this and not just bleat from ignorance.

I live in Wales in one of the lowest infection rates parts of the UK. Selfish or not I am happy to be in full lockdown if it means that fewer people come into the region and that our rates stay low. We have a very elderly population and only one major hospital. Putting the whole country into the same tier means that people are less likely to travel - other than for work etc.

Yet another ignorant person bashing Liverpool and the surrounding city region!
I notice that they haven't bothered to reply once others pointed out their ignorance.
Yes, there are people breaking the rules especially people from tier 4 who think they can come here for shopping and socialising.
To stop this, the police have set up road blocks to check people travelling into our area and many are being refused entry and turned back.
Yes, many residents in our area are calling for a full lockdown whilst the vaccines are rolled out to keep as many people safe as possible.
Yes, our hospitals are at capacity but then this might have been resolved if the government had got their fingers out of all the private sector pies their pals control and finished our new hospital. Instead it sits there crumbling.
And yes, we are struggling, the funding we have not received from the government despite them stating we have is a joke And putting more residents lives at risk.
And finally Op, respectively fuck off with your ignorance and pathetic attempt at bashing a great city who's only crime has been to call out this government on its distasteful attitude towards us.

[quote BornIn78]@Feedingthebirds1im not saying it only happens in Liverpool, but it has happened.

I can name a whole bunch more bars and restaurants. No attempt whatsoever to check where people were coming from, you could phone up and book a table for 6 and not get asked if you were all from the same household or within the Tier. They were sharing people’s group photos on their social media that they were tagged in - you can’t get much more blatant than that.

It would probably be quicker to name the handful of places that were making an attempt to stick to the rules.[/quote]
The problem is private businesses in this instance. As soon as the Tories got bogged down in the what constitutes a substantial meal argument hospitality became a free for all.

Enforcement everywhere in England at least has been a joke since the first lockdown ended.

There’s non compliance everywhere, people are fed up.

It was a recipe for disaster keeping Us in a lower tier 2 surrounded by tier 3 for Christmas shopping and nights out.

Jessi I agree with all but note Liverpool hospital covid cases are currently 1/3 what it was in October so we do have capacity currently - tho I expect that will change

Also do note as like most areas, many of the surrounding tier 4 areas have lower covid cases than Liverpool right now eg west lancs is 253, Manchester 204 and Wigan 220 compared to liverpool 350 and Wirral 300