What a joke....Liverpool mayor wants nationwide lock down

[HappyNewYear2021]

Just on BBC news the mayor of Liverpool wants a nationwide lock down again! Even in areas with low transmission to help areas like Liverpool who don't appear to help themselves anyway.
What financial planet do these people live on.

One of the biggest problems with the tier system is selfish fuckers will just cross from higher tier to lower tier.

So what makes you think it’ll be different with a lockdown?

I prefer short stricter lockdown to midiocre restrictions going longer. Short term loss for long term gain.

So what makes you think it’ll be different with a lockdown?
Well there will be no pubs, restaurants or shops open for people to travel to. Yes there will be still travel to areas like beaches and parks but less likely to fuel transmission as all outdoors

Even in areas with low transmission to help areas like Liverpool who don't appear to help themselves anyway.

Care to elaborate? Or just a Liverpool bashing OP. Let's see shall we.

@southeastdweller

One of the biggest problems with the tier system is selfish fuckers will just cross from higher tier to lower tier.

So what makes you think it’ll be different with a lockdown?

There's nowhere indoors people can go.

How badly do people who want a full lockdown for 3 months really want it

Would they give up their savings/pension/income because that is what they are asking people to do.

I presume non of these people, like the mayor of Liverpool would hand over their salaries, savings and pensions to families who have lost all their jobs and income and ploughed through their savings and pensions just to keep going these past 10 months

Until I see that then all I see is people whose lives haven’t been financially impacted by this virus not really understanding what other people are going through.

Come on @HappyNewYear2021, please come and explain your OP! Waiting with baited breath.

@nosswith

Start by having proper enforcement of existing restrictions. Not token fines. If you have driven miles just to view the Brecon Beacons or go for a walk, a driving ban. If you are a student and have met up with several friends, no more university place.

Magistrates courts could sit virtually or behind screens, and as was shown with the riots in 2011, can hear cases in a few days if needed.

Dream on

@Oliversmumsarmy

How badly do people who want a full lockdown for 3 months really want it

Would they give up their savings/pension/income because that is what they are asking people to do.

I presume non of these people, like the mayor of Liverpool would hand over their salaries, savings and pensions to families who have lost all their jobs and income and ploughed through their savings and pensions just to keep going these past 10 months

Until I see that then all I see is people whose lives haven’t been financially impacted by this virus not really understanding what other people are going through.

Did she say 3 months?

We're going to be locked down in January anyway at some point, it might as well be now rather than in a few weeks when the hospitals are all fucked and the rest of the country is where London are now.

Just another Liverpool-bashing thread OP?!

I’m in Liverpool, if you look at the data published on the council’s website daily the largest increase in numbers have consistently been in the 40-49 age group.

The problem was being surround by tier 3/4 areas arriving in Liverpool to take advantage of the more relaxed restrictions.

There was a thread on here when Liverpool were moving to tier 2 where posters were boasting about booking many nights out in Liverpool (from tier 4), it was an accident waiting to happen.

Proactive request rather than a reactive response maybe?!? Liverpool rates are shooting up and are higher than some in tier 4....

Are you coming back to answer OP the question asked by many posters?
I would be interested to know where you live and how you have managed to stay in tier 2?
I saw first hand the people of Liverpool queuing for hours in the cold and dark to be tested on the first day of mass testing. They were proud to be the pioneers of this new initiative to try to help the whole country.

So what makes you think it’ll be different with a lockdown
Well there will be no pubs, restaurants or shops open for people to travel to. Yes there will be still travel to areas like beaches and parks but less likely to fuel transmission as all outdoors

The thing is that a properly SD pubs, restaurants coffee shops etc were not the major cause of this virus spreading.

It is people visiting other people in their houses because pubs and restaurants and coffee shops are closed

We are in tier 4 and since they have shut everything our numbers have gone up not down.

Lockdowns don’t work. If they did then we wouldn’t be in this position.

Since November 5th to now shops, pubs and restaurant were only opened for 18 days yet our figures are now 6 times what they were at the beginning of November and at the time the figures were falling.

@southeastdweller

One of the biggest problems with the tier system is selfish fuckers will just cross from higher tier to lower tier.

So what makes you think it’ll be different with a lockdown?

In a proper lockdown, everything will be closed in all areas, so there'll be nothing to travel for. The regional areas were never going to work as long as there was no enforcement preventing unnecessary travel.

Short of setting up road blocks to prevent people from higher tiers from pouring in and spreading the virus... What exactly was Liverpool supposed to do to 'help itself'🤔

Since November 5th to now shops, pubs and restaurant were only opened for 18 days yet our figures are now 6 times what they were at the beginning of November

How much of that has come from schools and education settings though? And with the new strain (assuming you're south east). The second wave took longer to reach the south.

Even in areas with low transmission to help areas like Liverpool who don't appear to help themselves anyway

Erm what?

There was a thread on here lamenting the prejudice against London. Some of you need to get out of southern ivory towers and actually go and visit some of the northern cities and get rid of your prejudice.

@bravotango

Even in areas with low transmission to help areas like Liverpool who don't appear to help themselves anyway.

Care to elaborate? Or just a Liverpool bashing OP. Let's see shall we.

So when it's London out of control, it's a new variant, but anywhere else in the country, it's the thick locals. Nice!

If we can lockdown for 3 months and it all be over, I’d be up for that. It would probably be best for everyone... especially if coupled with actual catch up tuition sessions put on for children, who missed out on their education (not an obligation put on school teachers please). Proper summer school perhaps. We were promised this last year.... not that dd needed to go.

And I know it will trash the economy. But it’s a short term effort. Far less than a war for example.

We are in a low infection area but in tier 3, most surrounding areas are tier 4 and people from tier 4 just come here to go shopping etc..

I don’t know what the answer is, at the moment many businesses/shops are still open here but not pubs, i fee that will change soon and we will be forced into tier 4 despite infection numbers still being low (there has been a slight rise but not huge), I also expect there will be a rise when schools return.

It’s pretty impossible to stop people moving around, I move around, I work in tier 4, one of my kids goes to school in tier 4 the other tier 3, I literally can walk half a mile up the road and be in a different tier, no one can police people moving around.

@User158340

Since November 5th to now shops, pubs and restaurant were only opened for 18 days yet our figures are now 6 times what they were at the beginning of November

How much of that has come from schools and education settings though? And with the new strain (assuming you're south east). The second wave took longer to reach the south.

Shops, shopping centres, etc have been open throughout, particularly those selling food (essential) who have been free to sell everything else too. It's a small proportion of shopping that's had to stay closed - those that aren't selling food. Supermarkets and shopping centres have been pretty full/busy with people buying non essential items.

3-months and it all be over
in theory I would go for this but in practice I don't think any of us would trust the government to properly use the three months

Well I live in the region and cases are flying up here in part because people were turning up from higher tiers so they could take advantage of more things being open.

Yep. I heard this morning about a group of young people who went from a Tier 3 area in the East Midlands to Liverpool for a few days because the pubs and shops were open.

While you've got selfish stupid twats like this around the tier system won't work.

I think Liverpool will very quickly go into teir 4 as it's the only place where shops are still open.