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New Variant and Impact on children

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Ohbabybab · 01/01/2021 22:15

As MNHQ are looking in to the other poster on this topic I am starting a new thread for this discussion. They will be able to see I’m a long term poster so no reason to delete.

OP posts:
Noellodee · 01/01/2021 23:08

I screenshotted part of it to beat the paywall.

New Variant and Impact on children
Witchend · 01/01/2021 23:09

@covetingthepreciousthings

If it's been removed, that makes me far more worried than otherwise

Just checked and it's been removed Confused

That smacks of interference at a far higher level than MNHQ. @MNHQ go on, are you being leant on to remove certain threads?

Removing it makes me think that there's far more there that they don't want to be known.
Surely the best rebuttal of anything like that would be in real statistics (eg 130 children were admitted in the last 7 days as opposed to 131 in the same period last year), or at any rate a note saying "This article has been removed as we've checked and she isn't a nurse at where she says she is".

ATieLikeRichardGere · 01/01/2021 23:12

One explanation is that the article didn’t meet editorial standards. I think this is plausible because it lacked context.

covetingthepreciousthings · 01/01/2021 23:12

go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-wards-full-children-first-145710847.html

Does this link work? A poster shared it on another thread.

CabinClose · 01/01/2021 23:12

Twitter is full of the Covid deniers saying the nurse is a union activist and BLM supporter and therefore shouldn’t be trusted. Personally that makes me trust her more. I hope she’s ok and I’d like to know more.

covetingthepreciousthings · 01/01/2021 23:13

uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-wards-full-children-first-145710847.html

Try again.. hopefully this one works!?

MushMonster · 01/01/2021 23:17

We now have at least two threads on this!
I will keep looking at the news regarding this.
Now the newspaper is taking it down, twitter denying........
This is all very weird

Panickingpavlova · 01/01/2021 23:17

Great posts honey badger.

The BBC article saying they are looking into it with lighting speed (effects of covid children)

But with this new strain that took off in Sept they still have limited data?

So we need to send dc back and then by February they would I imagine have a very good idea, in the worst circs ie cold, winter, everything's the virus loves... Of the true impact... But..

Are we going to be in this situation next winter? Do we even need to experiment on children?

Surely we expect to be over the worst by late summer, by winter a huge amount of us will be vaccinated?

For such a relatively short time shouldn't we simply err on the side of caution?

I would understand long arduous reports and stuff if this was truly going to be long term.
I don't see it as long term. Let's just throw everything at it now in these critical few weeks and buy time for the NHS and vaccines.

MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes · 01/01/2021 23:18

It works. I expect, at 11.15 pm on a Friday, we'll have to watch this space and see what the Telegraph's reasons for taking it down are. I don't know what's been going on, but we all know that this variant is more infectious and that youngsters are the only people really allowed to mingle. Both of those would push up the number of children being ill.

bailey999 · 01/01/2021 23:18

Well there certainly is a Laura Duffel who is a matron at Kings college hospital, (there are other stories about her on google) maybe the comments are not genuine?

lucieloos · 01/01/2021 23:18

Place marking

MushMonster · 01/01/2021 23:19

Thanks to the people discussing on these threads, at least now I am informed of the actual admission rate due to covid, and know where to look for it.
And I feel better now, actually

Romeocorner · 01/01/2021 23:19

@TillysMum02

This can’t just be a case of shutting primaries and nurseries

Kids will be in all the ‘essential’ shops again for something to do. Touching everything, no masks

I’m hoping our company will put something in place to protect us ( retail)

Has there been any mention of shutting nurseries. Staff still expected to work and if they have to self issue only get ssp unlike school staff.
Frazzled2207 · 01/01/2021 23:20

I would say that if the telegraph has taken it down it might well be because they’re worried about the veracity. But I wonder why they put it up in the first place.
It makes sense though that with soaring cases and soaring hospital admissions, there will be more kids with covid in hospitals than previously.

IloveJKRowling · 01/01/2021 23:20

For such a relatively short time shouldn't we simply err on the side of caution? I would understand long arduous reports and stuff if this was truly going to be long term. I don't see it as long term. Let's just throw everything at it now in these critical few weeks and buy time for the NHS and vaccines.

Agreed and in fact if we let things get even more out of control we're giving the virus more opportunity to mutate into something that the virus doesn't protect against. So we should suppress transmission with all our might short term (close schools in tier 4 for a few weeks at least), vaccinate like mad, and then we stand a chance I think.

Doing anything else is utter lunacy.

IloveJKRowling · 01/01/2021 23:21

something that the VACCINE doesn't protect against. I need to go to bed...

AldiAisleofCrap · 01/01/2021 23:31

This is the Telegraph article :
Covid wards 'full of children' for first time in pandemic, warn nurses
Clinicians say high levels of nursing vacancies and staff sickness will make it near-impossible to use Nightingale hospitals
By
Patrick Sawer,
SENIOR NEWS REPORTER
1 January 2021 • 7:00pm
Paramedics wearing PPE prepare to remove a patient from an ambulance at The Royal London Hospital on December 31, 2020
Medics are starting to see “whole wards of children” suffering from Covid for the first time during the pandemic, a senior nurse has warned.

Laura Duffell, a matron at King’s College Hospital, London, said the new strain of Covid was affecting children and younger adults with no underlying health conditions in worrying numbers.

She said: “It’s very different. That’s what makes it so much scarier for us as doctors, nurses and porters and everyone else who is working on the front line.

“We have children who are coming in. It was minimally affecting children in the first wave... we now have a whole ward of children here and I know that some of my colleagues are in the same position, where they have a whole ward of children with Covid.”

Ms Duffel, a Royal College of Nursing branch official, described a picture of NHS hospitals close to buckling under the strain of rising numbers of Covid patients.

She told Radio 5 Live on Friday: “20 to 30 year olds with no underlying conditions are coming in. In intensive care you could have up to two or three very sick ventilated patients at the moment, which is far beyond what you should have.

“Some of my colleagues across London have been looking after up to 15 adults on a Covid ward with one health care assistant supporting them, so you don’t stop.”

Senior clinicians have now warned that severe staff shortages mean there is little prospect of the Nightingale hospitals riding to the rescue of the NHS as it struggles to cope with the imminent threat of being overwhelmed by Covid patients.

Consultants and nursing leaders say that high levels of nursing vacancies, coupled with high numbers of staff themselves going off sick with coronavirus or stress will make it near impossible to use the Nightingale hospitals built around the country at the start of the pandemic.

The makeshift hospitals were built at sites across England at an estimated cost of £220million, including in London, Manchester, Bristol, Sunderland, Harrogate, Exeter and Birmingham.

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Of these the Exeter site received its first Covid patients in November while Manchester, Bristol and Harrogate are currently in use for non-Covid patients.

But Mike Adams, the Royal College of Nursing's England director Mike Adams said on Friday that the expectation that the Nightingale hospitals could deliver a significant increase in capacity was "misplaced".

He said: "I have real concerns that the expectation that this mass rollout in capacity can happen is misplaced because there aren't the staff to do it. If we are having to cancel leave to staff these areas, the obvious question is where will the staff come from to open the Nightingales?”

There are already one in eight nursing vacancies, with existing shortages in the type of Intensive Care Unit nurses needed to treat the most severely ill Covid patients, and recent figures showed that one in 10 Covid admissions to hospital are front line health workers - depriving the NHS of badly-needed staff.

Professor David Oliver, a trustee of the Royal College of Physicians and a senior consultant working on Covid wards, told The Telegraph: “Where are the staff going to come from for the Nightingales? The day-to day, hands-on care is carried out by nurses and health care assistants and there already aren’t enough of them.”

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The warnings came as the picture across hospitals struggling to cope with a spike in Covid cases grows ever more serious, with consultants estimating that London hospitals are now operating at more than 200 per cent over capacity and even those hospitals in regions not as badly affected by the current wave working at 150 per cent over capacity.

Medics transport a patient from an ambulance to the Royal London Hospital as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues
Medics transport a patient from an ambulance to the Royal London Hospital as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues CREDIT: HANNAH MCKAY/Reuters
Clinicians say this means beds being placed closer together to make space, increasing the risk of cross infection between patients, and other Covid beds being moved into “every corner” of a hospital. Some major London hospitals have been forced to treat Covid-19 patients in ambulances.

As a result a growing number of non-Covid patients are having to wait longer for potentially life saving treatment for conditions such as cancer.

Department of Health data shows there were 23,813 people in hospital with Covid-19 in the UK as of December 28, the most recent figures - more than at any other point during the pandemic, even during the devastating first wave in March and April.

Some 1,847 of these patients were on ventilators in intensive care units.

There are now real fears NHS hospitals are close to being overwhelmed, with some doctors predicting this could happen when the wave of infections from the Christmas and New Year period hits them in two weeks.

Dr Shondipon Laha, a consultant in critical care medicine and honorary secretary of the Intensive Care Society, described the situation in London hospitals and some parts of the north west, as "dire".

He added: "We are close to being overwhelmed now and we will be overwhelmed soon. We are already at the limits. It's very worrying.”

Dr Laha said that patients would soon have to be transferred beyond their immediate region to areas around the country in order to create space for new admissions.

"Covid patients will soon be piling up in casualty departments because there will be nowhere else to treat them. The second peak we’re going through now in London is going to be massive. Bigger than anything we’ve ever experienced,”

“On top of that some planned operations are having to be delayed because there is no capacity at the moment to deal with them, which means people are not being treated for life threatening conditions such as cancer, including brain and stomach cancers.”

NHS England medical director Stephen Powis has described the Nightingale hospitals as "our insurance policy, there as our last resort".

Notashandyta · 01/01/2021 23:31

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Notashandyta · 01/01/2021 23:32

All content shown on wev archived. Hope this link works for those who want to read the telegraph article

middleager · 01/01/2021 23:34

I'm fed up of this @MNHQ

You act as a mouthpiece for the DfE so I hope now that you are not being governed by politics and censoring threads.

ofwarren · 01/01/2021 23:37

twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1345126413398118401?s=19
Front page of the telegraph tomorrow
Teachers unions demand ALL schools close

Thepastcatchesupwithyou · 01/01/2021 23:42

Thanks for that. The links are working now, don't know what happened there. Its a very interesting read.

MerinoFroggie · 01/01/2021 23:55

I certainly do not welcome this new change in covid where it is harming children.

There was a lot of people flaunting the guidelines thinking it is a virus that only attacks coffin dodgers even though it is not. It is a novel virus and its hitting people differently and there is long covid. My own employers had the notion of we will be ok if we get it because we are under 50. My eyes were rolling at their nonsense. I have the opinion that is is a virus no body wants to welcome with open arms and the public health guidelines should be followed. I don't like the public health guidelines but I am doing it because it is so important. If the new variant is attacking children more, I hope it helps more people to do the right thing of following the guidelines and stop flaunting them.

We are nearly at the end with vaccines on the way. Another few more months of keeping quite and lying low and avoiding non essential contact is what's needed.

Elephant4 · 01/01/2021 23:56

I'm fed up of this @MNHQ*

You act as a mouthpiece for the DfE so I hope now that you are not being governed by politics and censoring threads.*

This needs repeating.

CarpeVitam · 01/01/2021 23:58

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