Where are people catching it?

[ilkleymoorbartat]

Presumably people in Tier 4 are hardly using public transport, the buses in London are empty. Schools are off, pubs are closed. Everyone I know is obeying the rules, possibly going for outside walks with one other person. Where is this massive spread coming from?

I have to display my ignorance: what does ECV stand for?

Work - not everyone is being sensible. There was a guy at work coughing and sneezing without a mask who was told by the boss that it was 'just a cold' so to carry on working. Now we've all had to go and have Covid tests - awaiting results.

@Kjc39

Who’s to say it’s no just floating in the air, inside and outside. It could even be in water.

Scientists, that's who.

@Skylor

I havent been out for weeks aside from woodlands walks with kids. Everything is done online.

Old people can isolate longer, it literally wont kill them to do so.

Old people are catching it in supposedly "safe" environments such as care homes, hospitals and their own homes. The people "caring" for them are giving it to them.

@Vinorosso74

School staff then supermarket staff and bus drivers etc should also be higher up the list.

It's the old/vulnerable who are dying and taking up hospital ICU beds.

Teachers, supermarket staff and bus drivers are statistically less likely to die or need ICU beds by a huge margin.

Old people are catching it in supposedly "safe" environments such as care homes, hospitals and their own homes. The people "caring" for them are giving it to them
Exactly even food deliveries aren't safe 2/3 of infections in Ireland of this peak has been diagnosed from NH community care or hospital stay.
One care home have 12 staff who tested positive the residents inpatients won't have a chance.
It is the way they die too is so inhuman. It was an absolute killer knowing DM was dying alone occasional seeing staff pop in dressed in hazmat suits. I prayed willed begged for her life to end quicker knowing she was alone.

There’s still a fair bit of in hospital transmission and in care homes.
In the community, it’s a mixture - work, public transport, schools, in-house mixing.

It's the old/vulnerable who are dying and taking up hospital ICU beds
I've to correct this as the old/vunerable don't get an ICU bed. A tiny percentage from NH here got acute care most died in their NH.
Even DM age 69 only got 3 days on Cpap before they gave her pain killers and oxygen to pass during the peak in April.

God I hate the term, COVID safe, COVID secure. All masks, wiping etc are mitigation that is it. Behave like everyone has it!

Schools have been shut for two weeks and infection rates are still soaring.

Yes, because it takes weeks for closures to impact a soaring infection rate. Schools closed on 20th March and the peak was second week of April for example.

@Doublefaced

Schools have been shut for two weeks and infection rates are still soaring.

But it is showing a decline in children.

Schools, particularly secondary schools. Teenagers hanging around in big groups, bringing the virus home, popping in to see Grandma.

We are also seeing the effects a month on from the end of Lockdown 2. It can take 2-3 weeks for a vulnerable person to go from initial contact with the virus to ending up in intensive care.

People went down the pub, to the gym, lots of shopping. We had two and half weeks before this area went into Tier 4. Even then, there was a lot of social mixing in the run up to Christmas.

@Doublefaced

Schools have been shut for two weeks and infection rates are still soaring.

It takes 14 days before you’re clear from last contact. In that tie kids have mixed with family members and pass sit on who visited other family members. Kids are still meeting up in the park and hugging friends as parents are deciding that as they saw their friends in school then continuing in the park is no issue.

So it’s clear schools are a spread problem so should have been closed long ago.

In fact is there really a need for schools now given lessons can be delivered online with one highly specialised teacher reaching out to thousands of children through online learning. The Open University got it right decades ago before computers and the internet were mainstream household must have items.

@Emeraldshamrock

It's the old/vulnerable who are dying and taking up hospital ICU beds I've to correct this as the old/vunerable don't get an ICU bed. A tiny percentage from NH here got acute care most died in their NH. Even DM age 69 only got 3 days on Cpap before they gave her pain killers and oxygen to pass during the peak in April.

Yes, this graph shows that actually the over 80s are only a small percentage of patients in critical care.

So another 53,000 confirmed cases today. 14 days ago takes this back to 18 December. 5 days ago takes us to 27 December where everyone should have been locked down and minding their own business.

Why is data not available to show the ages of those confirmed together with postcode to the XXn n level so you can see where in your very local area has a confirmed case and the age details. Information is being withheld.

From the tweets, etc I’ve seen from icu doctors they are saying majority of icu patients are age 40-60.

The passport office apparently has an outbreak. Given no one should be travelling and therefore shouldn’t need a passport, that place should have been shut and the staff off on furlough anyway.

Some people will always have to travel: hauliers, for instance.

42 positive cases in my school split evenly between pupils and staff.
I haven't had it yet. Dreading going back.

There is a lot of spread at school and between household members.
But I also know of multiple cases who have only met people outside or have only been to the supermarket or have only been to an exercise class or have only been to a 'covid safe' workplace. Nowhere is completely covid safe.
Everyone needs to stop seeing covid secure as meaning 'this place is safe, carry on as normal and go as much as you like' and start seeing it as 'less risky than no mitigation, but still a risk'.

As long as it has a host and that host isn't sticking to the rules there is no saying exactly how it is spreading.
I agree school is an issue but that issue comes from a household.
I'm living in the city my DS has a best friend who visits his dad the weekend in an overcrowded home full of EE single men some sleep in the shed it's so full.
DS can't see his pal but that child like many others has siblings too goes to school etc.

This is new on my social media feed.
It's the 1/3 statistic that surprised me.
Do they mean people who NEVER get symptoms?

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