Where are people catching it?

[ilkleymoorbartat]

Presumably people in Tier 4 are hardly using public transport, the buses in London are empty. Schools are off, pubs are closed. Everyone I know is obeying the rules, possibly going for outside walks with one other person. Where is this massive spread coming from?

the buses in London are empty.

I laughed so hard at that sentence, OP

The buses are rammed

Friend has been diagnosed today (first person I know to be positive). He’s remarkably careful, always masked outside (central London) and has really only been outside food shopping and washed hands etc on return. It’s worrying.

I’ve seen more empty or half empty buses here in central London - not seen any ‘rammed’. Drivers using the ‘bus full’ signs at front much more when they reach their maximum allowed.

My elderly aunt's neighbour who has helped her very happily and willingly throughout lockdown, is a teaching assistant and she has just tested positive. Seems the Christmas holidays have been her incubation period, she's quite poorly,, keeping fingers crossed she only has it mildly.

They're catching it when they visit people they're not supposed to be visiting (like they are visiting our upstairs neighbours); when they gather outside pubs and in groups in parks drinking booze and yelling at each other, rather than talking; when they don't wear a mask - or take it off when they are safely inside the supermarket or public transport, etc.
Then they spread it to others.

I’m school staff and caught it from a child who’s family had a positive case but sent the kids in anyway (without us knowing at the time 😢)

What bastards MazAds. Hope you are ok.

@HeronLanyon

I’ve seen more empty or half empty buses here in central London - not seen any ‘rammed’. Drivers using the ‘bus full’ signs at front much more when they reach their maximum allowed.

I get the bus daily and we are crammed in SW London

I know only 3 people who have caught it and all have recovered fully. One in her early 20s and another in her late 50s/early 60s; both caught it from working in a school. My husband’s grandmother (early 90s) caught it in hospital.

My Dbro caught it in a bar along with 31 other fools.
32 cases traced back.
Pubs are restricted there is 90mins to eat and go they stayed 6 hours this bar ignored the rules, lots of people are not isolating when sick.

TBH though most people won’t know with any real certainty where they got it unless they have contact with no other people/maybe one other person, and/or go to only one place (e.g. supermarket in a taxi once a week as my gran does). That just isn’t the case for most people.

I'm so glad everyone you know is behaving, because a great many people i know are not

I know a care worker who got from the home she works in.
Cook was positive but told to work by manager because she didnt have any symptoms. Now its gone wild around the staff and the residents.
Bloody stupid 🤬

2021booklover
Could it be fall allergy!
I get it every year at this time. Its the mold on fallen leaves. Apparently its one of the most common allergies but I'd never heard if it till I hit menopause and came down with it. Try some antihistamine

Schools. My children had to isolate twice on the last month because of cases in their school. Same in other schools around the area. I don't think they catch in the classroom. It's all the unsupervised mixing that happens on the way to school, on the bus, bus stop, etc. They also eat together at school canteen when at the start of the year it was take away only.

I know of:
Multiple kids (all school caught)
Teacher (school)
Nhs workers - outpatients departments
X2 in hospital and they both died :(
Relative Christmas visit / the whole bubble now has it
Friend working in shop
Friends auntie hadn’t been out at all first lockdown and caught it/ either post or good delivery

I know lots that had been in close contact with positive cases though that also didn’t get it or tested negative

I don’t know personally any school age children who’ve had it. The 2 local secondary schools have had 2 cases between them. The only people I know who’ve had it have caught it from work

Well, I have a family member in Tier 4. He has two ‘support bubbles’: his ex who he still hangs out with several times a week and someone new he’s been dating a few months. He also has a housemate and circle of friends who seem to be carrying on a normal. He was telling us how he was making plans for a NYE party at someone’s house. They’ve been doing film nights and game nights and parties from the start. All friends in late 30s, early 40s, with partners and many with young dc at home, so we’re not talking students. I would imagine that’s one reason. I think a lot of it is also at work and doing essential errands.

School, doctor's surgery (though I assume staff there may have picked it up from patients?

The only place I have been since March where I can't keep my distance is the primary school I teach in. Only place dd hasn't been able to keep away is school - even though her sixth form have tried to do everything possible they still ended up shutting the whole year a week early and going online.

School.

@lovemylittlebear the xmas visit seems really quick to if caught it and then died ? I would thought xmas cases only jus start showing and deaths tend to be couple weeks later

DS3 caught it at nursery. Last day before I finished work for Christmas. It's now working its way through us. We work from home and have online deliveries. Our only risk has been nursery and school for children. We decided to take a chance with childcare, as working with young children is so bloody tough.

At least we haven't spread it further than our family unit.

Both the people I know who have caught it recently caught it in hospital

In my case from the primary school I work in.

Supermarkets have become superspreader hubs in some places, especially since you invariably run into someone who is too precious to wear a mask.

Here in the USA, the White House is a good place to catch it. I haven't heard that it's a classier version, though, and just as deadly, unless you have the hundreds of thousands of dollars for the cutting-edge treatments. And those don't take care of everyone.